Re: Greeks (was Group selection)

From: Alan Patrick (
Date: Tue 22 Feb 2005 - 09:24:46 GMT

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    > At the root of almost all downfalls is a damaged environment, sometimes
    > complicated with climate change.

    Long term I'd agree....but over the c 2 generations it took to fell Starta? Sparta was weakened in winning the Peloponnesian war v Athens, and the struggle v Thebes, so Philip/Alex cleaned up. Despite any environmental damage Sparta had been a very efficient power for 300+ years, and had just got its hands on the Athenian colonies....I'd argue it was just very unfortunate that Philip of Macedon happened just as they were rebuilding after finally beating Athens.

    If Philip had come 1 generation later, Sparta would have rebuilt itself and it may have been a different story - after all they did give Macedon a hard time twice, (and one of their women brained Pyrrhus of Epirus a generation later) even though they were severely weakened, and Spartan generals were still highly valued in the Hellenistic world...

    Imagine a world where its Spartan, not Athenian memes that are Greece's dominant heritage!

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