Re: Obesity epidemic

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Date: Tue 06 Jul 2004 - 21:40:03 GMT

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    > From: Gene Doty <>
    > Chris Taylor wrote:
    > snip
    > >
    > > Capitalism _is_ alive in the Lovelockian/Gaian sense (work with me here
    > > a bit) in that it alters its environment to further its own aims (in a
    > > completely unconcious way -- good old anthropomorphisisation shorthand).
    > > It is composed of lots of selfish memes in the Dawkinsian sense (I'm
    > > just Mr Neology today...) that have ended up 'cooperating' (i.e. not
    > > screwing each other up) in a thoroughly unconcious way. That's not to
    > > say people don't have lots of grubby little conspiracies etc. but they
    > > are like the cleaner wrasses / pick-a-parasite of the economic world.
    > > Nature red in tooth and claw -- capitalism is just another pattern
    > > replicating because it can, composed of lots of little ones replicating
    > > still, because they did before.
    > >
    > snip
    > > Cheers, Chris.
    > >
    > Chris,
    > Your assertion of the "living" quality of capitalism reminds me of a
    > book I read some years ago. It was written by a Dutch theologian, whose
    > last name, I believe, was Berkhof, somewhere in the mid-20th c. I found
    > out about it through the writings of the Mennonite scholar, John Yoder.
    > Anyway, Berkhof argues that the "demons" that the New Testament talks
    > about--the "powers-that-be"--are actually social structures like racism,
    > classism, and so on. Your comment about capitalism suggests that these
    > "demons" could be easily seen as memes. The memetic approach has several
    > advantages, of course, not having any aura of supernaturalism or link to
    > religious beliefs. I suspect that Yoder, at least, would have been
    > receptive to the idea. If anyone is interested I can try to identify the
    > Berkhof book and provide some info on Yoder.

    Is it Christ and the Powers?

    > I was reading them back in the days when I was a left-wing evangelical
    > Christian--a la Sojourners or _The_Other_Side_ magazine. That memeplex
    > is dormant right now ;-)

    Just don't throw the baby (Jesus) out with the bathwater.


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