Re: psychohistory?

From: Scott Chase (ecphoric@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri 12 Mar 2004 - 05:37:01 GMT

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    >From: John Wilkins <wilkins@wehi.edu.au>
    >Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    >To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    >Subject: Re: psychohistory?
    >Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:53:15 +1100
    >
    >
    >On 12/03/2004, at 3:37 PM, Scott Chase wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>This ought to lighten the mood and get Keith and Chris off eachother's
    >>case for a moment:
    >>
    >>http://www.cgjungpage.org/content/view/136/
    >>
    >>I realize that there are two versions of psychohistory floating out there
    >>in the ether, Asimov's and the one described in the above URL, but the
    >>latter sounds rather...ummm...interesting to be overly kind.
    >
    >It's not even interesting enough to be not even wrong... cyclic history? In
    >this day and age (note: deliberate irony there)?
    >
    Yet beyond something as relatively modest as Janis's groupthink (itself a mixture of history and social psychology), how much does either brand of psychohistory have going for it? Isn't historical prediction an oxymoron and more apt as a claim for psychic seers?
    >
    >>
    >>On an history of ideas note, the psychobiography of Jung to be exact,
    >>here's another URL from the CG Jung page that could be of interest, from a
    >>Dark Lord of the Sith, to Jungians anyway, Richard Noll:
    >>
    >>http://www.cgjungpage.org/content/view/136/
    >
    >http://www.cgjungpage.org/content/view/529/ actually.
    >
    Now that was really sloppy of me. Thanks for the save.
    >
    >>
    >>It's his article "Jung's Concept of Die Dominanten (The Dominants)". A
    >>little more serious in nature than the article on psychohistory was.
    >>
    >Archetypus was used by Oken - I don't know enough Goethe to say (hey, if
    >it's not in Volume One of Faustus, I haven't read it). But as a biological
    >term it was popularised, at least, by Owen in England.
    >
    Jung was well acquainted with *The Poet*. Noll was looking for something to explain a related terminology used by Jung "the dominants". Jung also used the term "primordial image" (Urbild) that he cited Swiss historian Jacob Burckhardt for, but this could have roots in Goethe too. I'm not sure how much use Burckhardt himself made of the Urbild concept. Jung certainly ran with the ball.

    I've gotten a hold of a relatively recent bio of Jung by Deirdre Bair. I'd hope she could clarify a few things for me.

    Just bought my own copy of _Riddle of the Universe_ BTW.
    >
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    >Dr John S Wilkins
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    >The Walter and Eliza Hall Institute of Medical Research
    >Parkville, Victoria, Australia
    >
    >
    Is there a doctor in the house?

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