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From: Chris Taylor (
Date: Mon 08 Mar 2004 - 16:05:54 GMT

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    >>> Stockholm Syndrome, more descriptively capture-bonding, is a
    >>> conditionally switched on evolved psychological trait humans have.
    >>> See for discussion re
    >>> this trait and the attention-reward mechanism (awkward terms, I know).
    >> Er, 'is'? A little bold there fella -- but I digress.
    > Article has been out there for year and a half, is widely indexed and
    > over 50k downloads. I started discussing this particular point of the
    > article with psychologists close to 5 years ago and never had one I have
    > talked to disagree on my categorization of Stockholm Syndrome as "a
    > conditionally switched on evolved psychological trait." The 100%
    > response after discussing what happened to our non-ancestors who did not
    > socially reorient toward their captors was, "Yeah, that's obvious."
    > This was actually disappointing since I like defending a thesis.

    Popularity isn't proof. Anyway it's the EP premise that I have the problem with, not the analysis.

    > If you can see any holes in the argument for the origin of
    > SS/capture-bonding psychological trait I would love to see them.

    It's not that I see holes in it as a top-down description, but it implies so much more than that -- it's the 'evolved psychological trait' bit I have a prob with because given your EP background, presumably you mean some sort of attitudinal program, evolved and maintained in some bit of the brain, as opposed to short-term evolved (i.e. interplay of meme-like things in an internal exploration of the situation) behaviour.

    I'd conjecture that the hostage/hostage-taker relationship can be explained without recourse to such complex innate thingies. Point one - if they don't like you, they'll kill you (especially in the cliche where victims are selected arbitrarily for death); point two - even really bad people have nice bits to them sometimes. There's a stick and a carrot to be going on with. Sorry I don't have time to read the article fully at the moment (honest I'm snowed under) but hopefully that doesn't preclude my discussion of the principles...

    I get your point, and it's entirely consistent with what you and other EPers see, I just think the finality of the statement with the 'is' in it required examination.

    > Thanks for the name suggestion,

    Anything to avoid the bloody code support nonsense I'm stuck with at the mo :)

    Cheers, Chris.

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