From: Van oost Kenneth (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Mon 26 Jan 2004 - 19:14:05 GMT
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From: "M Lissack" <email@example.com>
> Bruce's third challenge is that there be a simulation
> model which shows the true emergence of a memetic
> Bruce goes on to describe what would be necessary for
> the simulation to be accepted.
> Are you rejecting the idea that any such simulation
can be constructed ? Or that it can be accepted ?
<< No, I don 't reject the idea, I just wanna say that it
would be far more difficult to set up such model than Bruce
Not only he is chopping populations ( where a memetic
process could emerge) into credible ones and non- credi-
ble individuals, moreover he argues that their behaviour should
( NEED to) be credible in the first place ! That troubles me !
How credible should that be, what should be the definition,
its characteristics !? What is a credible individual_ an intellec-
tual or someone working the rice- fields of Cambodia !?
The construction of such model/ simulation should at least
involve the notion that any third party has its own history/
belief and traits and that those can/ will influence the final
What would be a credible model that wants to show a
memetic process emerging represented to an Aborginial !?
Can he be that objective if the model judges situations
which occur on our side of the globe_ things of which he
has no knowledge !? If he was a credible individual, than his
social/ cultural heritage will set in, and will influence the outcome.
<< What is said to be a normal, allday behavioral pattern that
others will accept as being really possible !?
You have no idea how angry I can get if things don 't go my
way, that is for me a ' normal ' pattern !
But would it be accepted as normal, how really possible would
it be for others to judge !?
How would the simulation bear with it !?
That is something I don 't see covered !
And what is a believable way !?
I accept Bruce's his comments and challenges, they need to be,
but how I cope with it, and how and why I cling to what is written/
represented can 't be examined by Bruce or any other observer
as being believable or not !
I understand the more complex you make the model how uncon-
vincing it will be in the end, but it needs to be more than mere
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