From: Richard Brodie (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Sat 24 Jan 2004 - 22:12:20 GMT
M Lissack wrote:
> No Richard asking for evidence that a definition makes sense
> is not nonsensical except perhaps withr egard to religious
> belief. You are willing to assert that the meme is what
> replicates but have no basis for the assertion.
It makes sense to many people, but apparently not to you. If you've read my
book and it still doesn't make sense I doubt it ever will. My heart is heavy
with sorrow that I was unable to reach you.
However, if you want to talk about something that is a semiotic sign of
something that replicates, why not choose another word? Meme is quite
> The evidence
> you cite can be used to support the idea that the meme is the
> semiotic sign of something else which replicates. If
> memetics is to advance it has to be able to find a way to
> make this distinction other than through naked assertion.
I don't know that memetics needs to advance. I'm quite happy with it as is.
I make decisions knowing that anything I say or write has the potential to
spread, and that there are things I can do to make that more or less likely.
I recognize replicating bits of culture and their potential usefulness or
danger. I explain to other people how to do that. I really don't have any
feeling one way or the other about semiotic signs but every few months
somebody comes in here and for some reason tries to redefine "meme." I or
someone else generally pipes up, if only for the record.
> I commend the depth of the tautological belief but I question
> the need for the tautology. Darwin mechanics can be tested.
> The meme as replicator mechanics cannot. Reasoning by
> analogy can only go so far. If memetics is but analogy then
> its fate is truly limited.
I just explained to you why Darwinism is not a tautology. Did you understand
that? Of course the replication of ideas can be tested; in fact, it is
tested every day is schoolrooms throughout the world.
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