From: Lawrence DeBivort (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Mon 06 Oct 2003 - 15:04:55 GMT
We treat memes, if I understand your terms, as both determined by and
determining of socio-cultural processes. That is, the linguistic/symbolic
form of memes evolves out of socio-cultural activity, and in turn memes can
modify eventual socio-cultural activity. That this doesn't set up positive
feedback loops that lock society into unyielding and unchanging patterns is
very interesting and, I concluded, has several reasons, including those of
the initial contrarian variety of the memes and socio-cultural patterns, and
the inherent polarities within the socio-cultural environment.
Your course sounds fascinating. I wish I could be there to audit.
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> Subject: memes and determinism
> Hi everyone,
> A quick question, conceived whilst reading over some set reading for a
> lecture I'm doing today on media technology and society, looking
> at theories
> of technological determinism and cultural materialism.
> My question is: are memes determined or determining? Or to put it another
> way, are memes causes or effects (of socio-cultural processes)?
> I think this could be very important for the reaction to and
> of memes.
> For example, if memes are effects of socio-cultural processes, then you
> could (hypothetically) take away the roman occupation of palestine, or the
> treaty of versailles from post-WWI Germany, and perhaps christianity and
> nazism never rise? (in both cases the context of societies
> unified in their
> feelings of oppression, unfairness caused by "others" etc. contributed to
> their success as ideologies)
> Just throwing it out there, in the hope that someone out there
> might like to
> discuss memes.
> (Incidentally, I may not get a chance to follow up responses
> until later in
> the week or next week as I've got a lot of teaching over the next
> few days,
> but I will respond to anyone who feels like chipping in eventually.)
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