Re: how to stop all this stuff on the list

From: Keith Henson (
Date: Tue 30 Sep 2003 - 13:21:13 GMT

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    At 09:41 AM 30/09/03 +0100, you wrote:
    >I have a suggestion. If any group members want to
    >continue talking about the war, please transfer the
    >discussion to:
    >where it will be welcomed.
    >Otherwise, I fear we're going to have the plug pulled
    >on all of us. permanently.

    I agree.

    There is nothing wrong with using wars and politics as *examples* to illustrate points in a memetics discussion. But unless the main point of a post is about memetics, it does not belong here.

    It is not like the current situation does not provide *plenty* of opportunity to work in examples. One of the more interesting would be to plot the growing media interest in the Wilson/"fair game" story. Clearly memetic, clearly growing with a doubling time on the order of a week. Obvious parallels to the Watergate history.

    Then we could discuss the drivers behind memes like this one involving social leadership. It is in a tribes interest (as well as individuals) to bring down those in power when the tribe members have been convinced (by memes) that the leadership has been poor or has exhibited poor judgment. Memes are the method to synchronize internal social forces to depose leadership as well as social forces leading to wars. ("Force" in the literal sense when leadership is changed by violence.)

    Underlying memes we can work in evolutionary psychology with its potential for deep understanding of what drives primate societies and a possibility we could do much better playing non-zero sum status games in a world larger than a tribe.

    Lots of opportunities.

    Keith Henson

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