Date: Tue 02 Sep 2003 - 19:27:44 GMT
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> > Subj: Serious concern/ addition
> > Date: 8/28/2003 4:19:20 PM Central Daylight Time
> > From: email@example.com (Brad - Eufrates)
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> > Boy, I hope it sounds a lot better in Dutch, it reads like it was
> > written by a 6-year-old.
> > The reason I am a conservative is because I was once a liberal, and
> > saw 40 years of liberal policies trap people in an underclass of
> > poverty and social stigma.
> > People can grow out of poverty through education, work, and
> > learning to be the center of their own change. There are some
> > people - the physically and mentally disabled, who may need help
> > forever, and they should get it.
> > Now we have the Kyoto Protocol, which is designed along the same
> > lines. It doesn't pretend to fix the problem it asserts as a
> > crisis, it is just an expensive token effort that will keep more
> > people poor while allowing the intellectually assertive among us to
> > feel righteous.
> > I won't go into the science behind it, which is like sitting on a
> > heating pad and thinking you have a fever.
> > Kyoto has already apparently killed thousands in France, as the
> > French artificially tax energy in the name of Kyoto to the point
> > that the old and the poor can't afford air conditioning, and die in
> > temperatures lower than an Oklahoma summer day.
> Hi Brad.
> How did you learn that the poor and elderly in France pay
> such high taxes on electricity that air conditioning was
> unaffordable to them? What is the rate per kilowatt hour,
> before and after taxes, and what were the tax rates before
> the Kyoto treaty?
The US position on the Kyoto Treaty, while regrettable, had nothing to do with the French heat wave death toll, as its provisions, if passed, would not yet have gone into effect. A possible contributing factor could be the French people's practice of vacationing during August, and leaving their elderly parents at home without a safety net.
> --Aaron Lynch
> > The artificially high energy prices and artificial energy
> > development restrictions are the crime of this (and the end of the
> > last) century. The people who are hurt the most are the poor and
> > the third world countries, who grow much more slowly into the
> > affluence that awaits them.
> > Many Oklahomans love to see the higher energy prices, it means they
> > can drill for oil and gas in marginal areas. I don't wish anything
> > bad for my neighbors, but then you are all my neighbors.
> > I think we need a truce between left and right, and get on with
> > helping the entire world. The right thinks the left are personally
> > selfish, wanting the warm glow of seeming to help others while
> > doing what is bad for them. The left thinks the right are selfish
> > as a class, wanting to oppress and restrict the opportunities of
> > others.
> > If this is not the list for this sort of discussion, I beg the
> > pardon of all.
> > Brad Jensen
> > Translated out of Dutch, by Kenneth Van Oost August 2003
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