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From: Wade T. Smith (
Date: Fri 20 Jun 2003 - 12:46:35 GMT

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    Ok, Muller's Ratchet, while not eradicating replicators _immediately_ based upon their fidelity of replication, nevertheless will, over time, rend them useless.

    But, hmmm. Since I'm not hide-bound to any memetic model, let's look at Ratcheted replicators in minds. If they are of 100% fidelity, as Richard insists, definitionally, then they are marked for uselessness, over time.

    And, I can support that, empirically. Several, if not the majority, of memes (no matter where you put them), have become extinct. More, of course, then we will ever know. I have a personal experience with a contemporary example of this with the Tlingit artifact. The meme for that baby was Ratcheted. It's gone, or useless, not even vestigial, except as historical remnant.

    So, if all memes are at 100% fidelity, they are all both culturally and cognitively temporary, and, is this true? Yeah, it is. No meme will endure throughout time, and, we have at least one example of a meme that could not even survive within its tribe.

    (Now, the performance model doesn't prance about too much concerning the life-span of memes- definitionally in this model they are momentary and not enduring and never achieve 100% fidelity in replication. Like I said, very different model. But, the venue _attempts_ to achieve 100% fidelity, although it's physically allowed only to fail, as nothing gets replicated at 100%, and never has. But, this attempt by the venue to achieve fidelity is a seed of its own Ratcheting, and, yes, venues have failed and will continue to fail. This is what happened with the Tlingit's venue, by the performance model- a necessary parameter for the making of this particular artifact was not in place, and the eliciting vectors no longer had any influence upon the observers or the performers. Like I've always said, this model works, too.)

    So, if Richard will not deny the Ratchet (as he cannot, definitionally), the model of 100% fidelity of memes in a mind would seem to hold, at least as a reasonably _explanatory_ theory. (But we all know the caveat inherent there....) There's still the problem of actually _finding_ something in the 'mind', but, since we now know with absolute certainty that what is in my mind is 100% the same as what is in someone else's, then, it should simply be a matter of time to find through empirical methods. On with the search!

    - Wade

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