From: Scott Chase (email@example.com)
Date: Wed 18 Jun 2003 - 03:47:36 GMT
>From: "Van oost Kenneth" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>Subject: Re: birthdays
>Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:21:48 +0200
>----- Original Message -----
> > Sure, we learn through experience, but this is not to deny the internal,
> > cognitive character of the learning and the knowing; BOTH the between
> > and the within are necessary and essential, and Wade's between-only
> > half-model simply cannot pass the second half of Occam's Razor
> > (explaining all the present phenomena, such as our ability to encode
> > the selfsame meme in vastly differing performances).
>Yes, but in Wade' s scheme both the internal and the external are of
>importance_ it is just that the brain and its functions is part of what you
>stipulate as the ' external '.
>We don 't deny the internal funcional process of the brain/ mind_ we
>just don 't see the process ( of what is going on in there) as a particular
>condition of memes. The info of where with the brain has to function,
>besides its own natural specifics, must be induced upon it !
>It is up to the cultural/ social venue within which you were born that
>will induce the selfsame meme upon you_ your birthday is been
>' remerbered ' by that one card, that one special gift, that day at the
>races, etc..each time you look at it, play with it, or go back to the
>stables all of these are ' reasons ' by which you will remerber your
>There are 1000 and 1000 such reasons, constantly inducing their
>info within your culture, all the time, day and night...it is the con-
>tinuance of the inducement that makes that you ' remerber ' all
>the time yours, can remerber your birthday...at will...but that ain 't
>true...the constant inducement of performances, expected to
>happen ( ways of remerbering birthdays) makes up the conti-
>nuance of remerbering...there ain 't one moment in the time/
>space of the cultural venue that a way by which you will
>remerber your birthday ain 't performed. Of some you aren 't
>aware, that gift giving to the neighbours son is not your way
>to remerber yours, but that Playmobil- kit where that boy
>across the street is playing with right now is...and you will
>' remerber ' your birthday...at will !? Probably !?
>It is in a way, not our ability to encode the selfsame meme
>in vastly differing performances...it is the cultural venue
>that does the work...we just ' recognize ' the performance
>which fits best with the specific venue within which I was
>born...with its own specific parameters, mathematics and
>logic. What you will recognize I do not and vice versa.
>What you will observe I can not due to the difference of
>cultural/ social venue.
>My main objection, what a word...with Wade's scheme
>so far, is the fact of solipsism...due to our uniqueness,
>as well genetic and as well memetic, I am still in hazzard
>with the individualistic- bit.
>I won 't be backsliding Wade, that 's for sure, but I keep
>on wondering about the effects of the cultural venue upon
>the individual...no matter how far you turn the clock back,
>' we ' observe as individuals each performance, each artifact
>differently, it may be close, but not exact, it is not the same,
>not even self- same as you did claim, but what we in the end
>observe is ours !
>The mind is one of the agents, yes...but the mind has its own
>uniqueness over and over again, no perception of any per-
>formance if the self- same in any observing mind...so, do
>we talk here about a " solipsistic " aspect or not.....!?
>I am puzzled by this....
So in being solipsistic would you switch from the infamous "brain in a vat" to a "brain in a venue"? Was the Berkelyian absolute mind of "The Matrix" akin to a vat or a venue? Are our thoughts as individuals funnelled to us by a collective repesentational schema that arises *sui generis* (*sensu* Durkheim) not too unlike the computer network that treated Neo et al as
No I've not seen the latest Matrix movie, though I could probably glean it
from Berkeley, Malebranche, and Schopenhauer.
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