Re: Dees' and Dace's war

Date: Mon 16 Jun 2003 - 22:59:48 GMT

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    [Jake1] I really don't know how this topic has anything worthwhile to add to the subject of memetics. I again suggest either ending this and related threads or stopping both Joe Dees and Ted Dace from posting to the memetics list. From reading responses on here, I am obviously not alone in this point of view. Yes, someone has mentioned to me that I can simply delete posts from them and not read, but reality simply doesn't work this way. You let people like Joe Dees and Ted Dace act like mindless propaganda spewing jerks and then others join in, or eventually others take it as their cue to mindlessly spew their own mindless propaganda. Eventually you don't have a worthwhile forum anymore. Already many people in the real world as well as academia, think that memetics is some sort of fantasy or science fiction joke. This kind of crap only confirms it. They can now sign up to memetics mailing list and have to delete dozens many political propaganda rants dripping with ad hominem that they could have probably found by any group amateur flamers anywhere on the Internet of similar subject and definitely of similar caliber. It doesn't take long for a person to assign this stupidity to the forum in general and simply walk away/cancel their subscription/ or otherwise never read it again. This forum used to be worth reading. I am beginning to have my doubts anymore.



    (Joe lamely attempts to justify his spewings on the basis of "the sky is falling.")

    [Joe] Actually, the study of the hooksand filters emplotedvirulent Wahhabist memeset, which has given rise to the Al Quaedan ideology, the Deobandi extremism of the Taliban and the Pakistani and Kashmir fundamentalists, the Chechen terror bombers, and the Palestinian death-cult, is not only well within the theoretical purview of a memetics list

    [Jake2] your description alone confirms that you cannot think calmly or reasonably about this subject, much less apply memetic concepts in a coherent fashion on this topic. If everything is such an emergency, then perhaps you should go to some other forum to try and sell your "crisis". If you are waiting for the science of memetics to come of age to help you on this emergency, then you are obviously wasting your time needlessly.

    [Joe wails on . . . ], but, as such a perusal might lead to ideas on how to counter the most dire threat extant to global civil and human rights, participatory democracy, gender egalitarianism, religious pluralism, free-thinking scientific investigation, and the perpetuation and advancement of contemporary modernity in general, it is an extremely practical, and one might even say world-enlightenment-ideal/value-survival-essential, endeavor as well. If such a virulent and medievalistically oppressive worldview does indeed gain worldwide ascendancy, we can all kiss memetic (and any other kind of non-Muslim) study a fond good-bye.

    [Jake] You exaggerate egregiously. I assure you that there exist many other cultural topics, and many other cultural phenomenon, both past and present, other than your favorite pissing contest topic, with which we can attempt to apply memetics. Either you simply choose to ignore them, or you lack the education to know about them. If you have any doubts, or are simply lost in your hateful/angry ignorance/myopia, then I sugest checking in the anthropology section of your library or local community college. Perhaps altering your focus on something else other this may indeed mean kissing YOUR favorite obsessions goodbye. It may even mean that you stop paying so much attention to your daily dosage of CNN. But I doubt that memetics will suffer from the lack of your (And Dace's) screaming and regurgitation.

    [Jake2] In any case I haven't seen ANYTHING on this topic here that I haven't already seen handled in at least a more educated if otherwise similarly unbalanced manner elsewhere. Obviously if the world is waiting for memetics to develop a useful theory about this topic, then this forum is a sad failure in this regard. One might blame yours and Ted's incapacity to communicate coherently on the topic, or one might blame the field of memetics for being so ineffectual on this topic. Either way, I personally vote for ending this stupidity.

    [Jake2] Let's either get rid of the topic or get rid of the participants who choose to waste other people's computer resources and to disrupt forums that they do not own, as if they had a complete right to do so. Or better yet, how about both solutions, since the problem children involved are obviously repeat offenders anyway. I mean how many times do the problem children get to shit on the table and piss in the soup before we finally say they aren't welcome anymore.



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