Re: definition of meme

From: Wade T. Smith (
Date: Sun 15 Jun 2003 - 16:19:57 GMT

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    On Sunday, June 15, 2003, at 12:11 AM, Ray wrote:

    > I have no idea what you are saying here.

    I had thought you meant that the creativity of the human species was more active or of a higher caliber in present times than in times past. This is a common argument used by alien-visitor apologists to explain the manufacture of things like that Pyramids. The capacity of the human for creativity has with almost no exception been shown to be a constant.

    > Culture emphasizes, focuses and refines it.

    Yup. That's its job. The performance model calls this setting the parameters and (thus) the expectations of the performance.

    > [snip of an excellent demonstration of a cultural venue in
    > operation...]
    > I know that this creativity must be exercised within cultural bounds

    Not only exercised, but demanded- your creativity is preset condition of this culture, and its continuance is dependent upon your expected performance.

    However, after this remarkable exhortation of the imperatives of the parameters of a cultural venue, you continue with this -

    > If the increase in creativity were directly proportional to numbers
    > this
    > would mean that China and India would be the cultures adding more to
    > the
    > arts and sciences than any other nations. Is that really correct? I
    > don't think so.

    Sheer numbers are not, of course, any indicator that cultures are evolving, or that any specifics are mutating with acceleration, and I did not declare that such change was directly proportional to the amount of humanity within individual cultures, as I did not think you were speaking of anything but the world at large and the amount of creativity within it. Each culture controls change and distributes it in different ways.

    But your examples are interesting, if overly quantitative. You appear to have a decidedly anti-far-eastern bias, which I do not believe comes from any empirical facts. That there has been and continue to be dramatic and vast additions to the arts and sciences from far-eastern cultures is, well, as I would think, well shown.

    I think your proposition is most extraordinary, not its opposite. Please provide proof that other nations are 'adding more' to arts and sciences than China and India.

    - Wade

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