Re: _Religion Explained_ by Pascal Boyer

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Date: Mon 09 Jun 2003 - 03:46:26 GMT

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    From: "Scott Chase" <ecphoric@hotmail.com> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: _Religion Explained_ by Pascal Boyer Date sent: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 23:18:05 -0400 Send reply to: memetics@mmu.ac.uk

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    > >From: Keith Henson <hkhenson@rogers.com>
    > >Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    > >To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    > >Subject: Re: _Religion Explained_ by Pascal Boyer
    > >Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 20:06:49 -0400
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    > >At 01:57 PM 06/06/03 -0700, Dace wrote:
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    > >> > From: Keith Henson <hkhenson@rogers.com>
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    > >snip
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    > >> > Which would you say applies to a person who has internalized the
    > >>baseball
    > >> > meme and knows how to play it?
    > >>
    > >>If you grow up in the USA, baseball is a meme. If you grow up in a
    > >>foreign country, it's an idea.
    > >
    > >People have enough trouble trying to grasp the meme about memes.
    > >Making meme or not meme dependant on who hold them and how is just
    > >over the top.
    > >
    > >snip
    > >
    > >> > I can't deal with morphic fields, Scientology's space aliens, or
    > >> > supernatural spirits. Sorry.
    > >>
    > >>No need to be sorry, you're just a bit confused here. "Morphic
    > >>field" is shorthand for "morphogenetic field," a standard
    > >>explanatory tool in developmental biology. The field concept is
    > >>utilized to explain why one clump of cells becomes, say, an arm,
    > >>while another clump of cells develops into a kidney, despite the
    > >>fact that all the cells have identical DNA. It's generally believed
    > >>that morphogenetic fields will ultimately be explained according to
    > >>genes, but don't hold your breath. Many developmental biologists
    > >>have given up this quest as a lost cause and are now fully committed
    > >>to mathematical explanations of fields. (Morphogenetic fields can
    > >>be described with the same mathematical precision as electromagnetic
    > >>or grativational fields). The problem with this approach is that it
    > >>seems to imply that organisms are governed by eternal equations. Of
    > >>course, equations do not evolve. Thus Sheldrake proposed that
    > >>fields are the product, not of genes or of equations, but of past,
    > >>similar organisms. As organisms adapt, fields evolve. Ironically,
    > >>Sheldrake's view is the most easily testable and therefore the most
    > >>scientific of the three alternatives. (No one has ever devised a way
    > >>of testing the hypothesis that organic form arises from DNA. It's
    > >>simply assumed by those who believe it.)
    > >
    > >This is off topic, but may I suggest you do a little research on this
    > > subject. Here are a few pointers:
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    > >Embryonic Development: Putting on the finishing touches
    > >... Most selector genes, including Antp and Ubx, are homeobox genes.
    > >... The approximately 60 amino acids encoded by the homeobox are
    > >called a homeodomain. ... users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/
    > >BiologyPages/H/HomeoboxGenes.html - 12k - Cached - Similar pages
    > >Homeobox - Wikipedia Homeobox. ... A homeobox is a certain DNA
    > >sequence that is part of many genes involved in the regulation of the
    > >development (morphogenesis) of animals. ...
    > >www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeobox - 13k - Cached - Similar pages
    > >Interactive Fly, Drosophila ... muscle segment homeobox: Biological
    > >Overview | Evolutionary Homologs | Regulation | Developmental Biology
    > >| Effects of mutation | References ...
    > >flybase.bio.indiana.edu/allied-data/lk/
    > >interactive-fly/gene/musclesh.htm - 16k - Cached - Similar pages UNSW
    > >Embryo- Molecular Development- Homeobox UNSW Embryology. Molecular
    > >Development- Homeobox. Embryology Home Page. Page. ... LocusID.
    > >Symbol. Description. Position. Links. 257. ALX3. aristaless-like
    > >homeobox 3. ... anatomy.med.unsw.edu.au/cbl/embryo/
    > >MolDev/factor/hox.htm - 71k - Cached - Similar pages - Hox (Homeobox)
    > >Genes ó Evolution's Saviour? - Hox (Homeobox) Genes Evolutionís
    > >Saviour? ... ome evolutionists hailed homeobox or hox genes as the
    > >saviour of evolution soon after they were discovered. ...
    > >www.trueorigin.org/homeobox.asp - 11k - Cached - Similar pages
    > >
    > >It is generally considered that the original pole of the egg is
    > >determined by an external factor. Morphogenesis is now thought to
    > >rely on chemical gradients, which sequentially (head to tail, front
    > >to back) activated hox regulator genes.
    > >
    > >
    > Please don't make the asociation between the developmental biological
    > concept of the morphogenetic field and Sheldrake's morphic mumbo
    > jumbo. Sheldrake hijacked the concept from developmental biology and
    > hyperextended it to cover more than what it was intended,
    > conceptualizing the four dimensional (ie- spatiotemporal) aspects of
    > form generation (morphogenesis). Sheldrake has created way too much
    > confusion on this topic with his psi phenomenal abuse of the term
    > "morphic field" that the knee jerk reaction to someone talking about
    > morphogenetic fields is that they believe in psychic pets (ie- clever
    > Hansian hamsters that know when their owners have just pulled up in
    > the driveway and are about to open the front door and get the box of
    > hamster treats out of the pantry).
    >
    Yeah; he calls his crap 'morphic resonance'.
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