From: Van oost Kenneth (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Mon 02 Jun 2003 - 19:22:04 GMT
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> Venues are external, and one's birthday can be remembered in
> countless different ones. If you are thinking of 'cultural venue' as what
> one has inside oone's head, that is cognitive and internal.
That was not what I had in mind !
Venues are indeed external but than only the ones that we consider to be
cultural/ social/ political/....
Remerber what Wade said , that the cultural venue not only retains the
expectations of the performances, but as well as the memories of both
the performer and the observer. Thus that the internal and the extenal
are necessary, including thus the cognitive and thus the internal.
The cultural venue includes the physical environment wherein the mind/
the cognitive is due part. The cognitive is one of the parameters set out
by the cultural venue_ it allows the performance to be performed.
Moreover it allows the performance to be stored and selected for.
At the moment itself you think, or at the moment itself you think you
begin to think, begin to consider any assumption ' memes ' are being
made in the process, not before and not after.
But the fact is there that indeed all the time memes are being made,
that is what we have inside our heads after all, but the ' meme ' is
NOT and I do repeat is NOT what is really inside but the ' meme '
is that part of the cognitive process that holds information, thus the
thinking itself becomes the meme, because you ' perform ' something
at that very moment.
And yes, this is a meme because there has been ' interaction ' be-
tween performer ( thinker ), the venue ( the part of anything where
he was thinking about) and there has been an observer ( the thinker
again, but now understanding the info he received).
When you speak to someone, the information you tranfer is NOT
the meme, but the speaking is, you perform in moving your lips,
you make gestures. What the meme is for the observer that can 't
be known to you, all depends on context and venue and space/
time and the psysical environment of where his mind is in for that
If he laughs or cries or answers your calls, a meme has been per-
formed_ there has been ' interaction ' as Wade calls it.
And the fact that you can remerber your birthday in a countless
different venues can be explained as follows, when it came im-
portant to remerber them in the first place, like Wade says, the
remerberance tuned the cultural venue its parameters to set up
more venue- ways to do so, thus to produce more similar repli-
If the first remerberance was just a date on a paper for purposes
of recognition of identity, it became later a part of the cultural
venue, being part of the social intercourse_ a collection of memes
was selected for to enhance the survival of a certain group_
family, friends and close relatives all are do part of that group.
Performances, in order to remerber your birthday, are induced
by the venue of which all members are part and you, being part
of the same venue, will as your birthday comes along " expect "
receiving cards and phonecalls.
You being part of the cultural/ social venue of which your family,
friends and close relatives are all part, do expect that certain
performances will happen, but not only those_ you expect that
the neural and motor activity in those who will send the cards
and will make the calls are equal " happy " as you will be.
So, in a sense there is " nothing " in my head as being ' memes '
as such, all is induced by a certain venue which within its own
parameters creates performances to be performed and creates
performances to be expected.
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