Re: (Reply to Benzon) I

From: Keith Henson (
Date: Sun 25 May 2003 - 01:07:45 GMT

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    At 08:13 PM 24/05/03 -0400, you wrote:

    >>From: Keith Henson <>
    >>Subject: Re: (Reply to Benzon) I
    >>Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 20:41:41 -0400
    >>At 09:10 AM 23/05/03 -0700, you wrote:
    >>>Benzon wrote:
    >>> >Gudmundur Ingi Markusson wrote:
    >>> >>(GIM) I agree. The assumption that information simply resides in
    >>> books or otherwise, waiting to be incorporated by hosts, which seems to
    >>> be taken for granted in much memetic discussion, is misguided. Here I
    >>> think Peirce is useful. In the light of his semiosis concept,
    >>> information is not a dyadic relation, a carrier carrying something
    >>> (signifier incorporating a signified), but a triadic relation, where
    >>> information arises only when a subject interprets a signifier (sign-vehicle).
    >>> >All of which is to say that mentalist memetics gets tripped up on a
    >>> point that linguists and semioticians have understood for a century or so.
    >>>Actually, I see it more as a hurdle to "jet set" memetics, such as
    >>>Blackmore's, where memes seem to jump in tact from books to brains to
    >>>the internet, and what have you.
    >>I think you might consider published genes as "lying there in books." A
    >>current major concern of certain people is that the smallpox genome is
    >>public as is the method of splicing in an immune suppressing gene IL-4.
    >Could you please expand upon this "immune supressing gene" IL-4? Has this
    >anything to do with the cytokine interleukin-4? Thanks.

    Yes. Put interleukin-4 smallpox in Google and this is the first link.

    Keith Henson

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