Re: (Reply to Benzon) I

From: Scott Chase (
Date: Sun 25 May 2003 - 00:13:38 GMT

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    >From: Keith Henson <>
    >Subject: Re: (Reply to Benzon) I
    >Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 20:41:41 -0400
    >At 09:10 AM 23/05/03 -0700, you wrote:
    >>Benzon wrote:
    >> >Gudmundur Ingi Markusson wrote:
    >> >>(GIM) I agree. The assumption that information simply resides in books
    >>or otherwise, waiting to be incorporated by hosts, which seems to be taken
    >>for granted in much memetic discussion, is misguided. Here I think Peirce
    >>is useful. In the light of his semiosis concept, information is not a
    >>dyadic relation, a carrier carrying something (signifier incorporating a
    >>signified), but a triadic relation, where information arises only when a
    >>subject interprets a signifier (sign-vehicle).
    >> >All of which is to say that mentalist memetics gets tripped up on a
    >>point that linguists and semioticians have understood for a century or so.
    >>Actually, I see it more as a hurdle to "jet set" memetics, such as
    >>Blackmore's, where memes seem to jump in tact from books to brains to the
    >>internet, and what have you.
    >I think you might consider published genes as "lying there in books." A
    >current major concern of certain people is that the smallpox genome is
    >public as is the method of splicing in an immune suppressing gene IL-4.
    Could you please expand upon this "immune supressing gene" IL-4? Has this anything to do with the cytokine interleukin-4? Thanks.

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