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Date: Fri 23 May 2003 - 18:39:13 GMT

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    > Benzon wrote:
    > >Gudmundur Ingi Markusson wrote:
    > >>(GIM) I agree. The assumption that information simply resides in
    > >>books or
    > otherwise, waiting to be incorporated by hosts, which seems to be
    > taken for granted in much memetic discussion, is misguided. Here I
    > think Peirce is useful. In the light of his semiosis concept,
    > information is not a dyadic relation, a carrier carrying something
    > (signifier incorporating a signified), but a triadic relation, where
    > information arises only when a subject interprets a signifier
    > (sign-vehicle).
    > Benzon:
    > >All of which is to say that mentalist memetics gets tripped up on a
    > >point that
    > linguists and semioticians have understood for a century or so.
    > Actually,I seeit more as a hurdleto "jet set" memetics, such as
    > Blackmore's, where memes seem to jump in tact from books to brains to
    > the internet, and what have you. Gim
    Peircian semiotics requires a sign, a signified, and an interpretant. There are three relations; sign-signified, interpretant-signified, and interpretant-sign. The interpretant is, of course, the person, and thus the internnality of self-conscious awareness is essential to Peircian semiotics. The three divisions of it are semantics (having to do with meaning), syntactics (having to do with structure), and pragmatics
    (having to do with existential apprehension). In fact, the triadic structure of Peircian semiotics provides the perception-action bridge between mind and world that is not present in dyadic models.
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