Re: animals

From: Ray Recchia (
Date: Fri 23 May 2003 - 14:06:31 GMT

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    -----Original Message----- From: "Wade T. Smith" <> To: Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 09:00:11 -0400 Subject: Re: animals

    > On Thursday, May 22, 2003, at 04:53 PM, Ray wrote:
    > > clearly primatologists
    > > have been using a common mental model as a basis for significant
    > > insights
    > > into ape social interaction and it would likely be available for
    > > similar
    > > insights in ape memetics.
    > See the work of Mark Hauser here at Harvard for some excellent work on
    > primate social behaviors.
    > He does not call them memetic behaviors, and, indeed, rejects the
    > memetic hypothesis for animal social behavior.
    > The performance model is not a model of social behavior, by the way, it
    > is a model of cultural evolution. It is not applicable to any animal,
    > at this point, except homo sapiens.
    > - Wade
    I've read Hauser. He's very good but he isn't a primatologist. I think that his research is actually in the area of neurology. But most primatologists don't like memes either. Mainly they have a problem with differences in methods for variation. Those differences are more extreme in humans where they involve logical alteration instead of accidental changes in behavior.

    Could you offer a reaons for insisting on that performance based memes would only apply to humans? Numerous individuals on this list have repeatedly shown that there are non-geneticly transmitted behaviors in animals. In primates I believe there are examples of intentional demonstration if you were thinking along those lines.

    Ray Recchia

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