RE: transmission

From: Douglas Brooker (
Date: Wed 21 May 2003 - 08:48:51 GMT

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    > >From: Keith Henson <>
    > >Reply-To:
    > >To:
    > >Subject: RE: transmission
    > >Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:27:39 -0400
    > >
    > >At 12:49 AM 16/05/03 -0400, you wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > >English *does* have a use for highly inclusive words.
    > >
    > >
    > When there's merit in the usage of course. You may not have realized
    but the
    > varieties of dogs are connected by common ancestry and all can more
    or less
    > interbreed (except for possible trouble between Great Danes and
    > quite easily. These dog breeds are a result of evolution and these
    dogs are
    > related to wolves and coyotes. I see no trouble using the word dog to
    > to the various breeds.
    > Memory, rule, idea and performance OTOH are words referring to
    > different things. The usage of these terms convey something in each
    > that doesn't seem to me to be captured well under the umbrella of the

    > "meme". The "meme" is a term coined by Dawkins that IMO doesn't have
    > same status as the term "dog".

    there is a lack of superodinates in English with the result that words are used in double senses as both a superordinate and as a member of the group to which the superordinate refers. (cf F. Bowers, " Linguistic Aspects of Legislative Expression")

    one would like to know the range of opinions on this, expressed in a structured, methodical way, where 'meme' stands in relation to associated concepts like 'idea'.

    the relationship of dog to kinds of dogs - poodle, greyhound, etc is one direction of a hierarchy.

    dog itself is also part of a larger group - mammals (and others - such as quadrapeds...)

    so where is 'meme' in all of this?

    where *should* it be? this will depend on the reason one uses the meme concept -what one wants it to do.

    this is basic work, but it could help to distinguish between concepts that are blurred and lead to more clarity in terms of a definition of the word 'meme' if only in our own thinking.

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