Date: Tue 20 May 2003 - 03:39:09 GMT
> On Monday, May 19, 2003, at 08:21 PM, Joe wrote:
> > Internal and
> > external, once again, are BOTH essential, and when you reject one
> > side of the memtic coin, as with a 'performance-only' model, you are
> > left with only half a theory.
> Again, sorry, but no, the performance model not only does not reject
> the internal and the external, and I'm damned if I can see how you
> come to that conclusion, but it is the only model that does not ignore
> how both of them need to be in concert in order for cultural evolution
> to happen, as they are required to be in a cultural venue.
The performed meme does not issue from the Platonic nothingness or the Sheldrakean resonance, but from the cognitive repository where it is stored. THAT is the internal you seem intent upon rejecting, for some behaviorist reason or other. The external environment is what is present; the internal environment, that is, the cognitive gestalt is what has come before, that is, has been allowed in, i.e. penetrated filters and adapted to what was there before it in a dynamic and continuous process, and it is to this environment that the received meme must accommodate and be assimilated, that is, adapt, between reception and subsequent retransmission. Often thie adaptation involves mutation. And often, these mutations are selected against by candidate recipients, due to the differing exigencies of THEIR cognitive gestalts.
> Performer, and observer, and venue. These are the necessary and
> sufficient players in the performance model. If you must,
> internal/external, external/internal, and external processes.
The transmitter/performer knows what the recipient/observer may not yet know, and thereon lies the possibility of memetic transmission/reception of encoded semantic content. And where is this knowledge retained prior to performance, and where is it assimilated subsequent to being opbserved? Internally, within the cognitive gestalts of the transmitter and recipient, respectively.
> What is happening internally within the performer and the observer is
> self-conscious awareness and socio-biologic conditioning. What is
> happening externally is the aesthetics of the venue, and the observed
> behavior of the performer within that aesthetic.
Self-conscious awareness transforms this 'socio-biologic conditioning' from a mere behavioristic pigeon-programming into realms where intentional choices are made, and novel meanings can be transmitted via novel patternings of already mastered signs.
> Both internal processes and external influences and parameters are
> taken into account, and necessary and sufficient for the performance
> model, which you have only shown, in such comments as the above, to
> have a complete ignorance of understanding.
I understand your lack of understanding; I merely wish to relieve you of your burden of dogmatic behaviouristic cognitive blindness. Memes are indeed stored in the mind between their reception and their subsequent transmission. Memories are latent or possible memes, which become actual memes when the first person to whom primordial experiences, or mutations of either primordial experiences or received memes, occurs, attempts subsequent transmission of them. Whether they are more or less successful memes is determined by the success or failure of these subsequent transferrals.
> - Wade
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