Date: Tue 20 May 2003 - 01:54:32 GMT
> On Monday, May 19, 2003, at 08:21 PM, William wrote:
> > I don't know about Wade, but I'm not denying the existence of
> > "cognitive
> > templates." I'm just denying that that cognitive equipment contains
> > any memes.
> I've mentioned it before, and I'll mention it again. I follow Bill on
> all of this. Many of his posts helped me to see my confusion about
> what I _felt_ was a real problem with the memeinthemind model, even
> Dennett's, and I love that guy.
Now the qurestion is, which one of you memetically infected the other, or does your infection have a vector in common?
> Yes, once again you can speak for me, Bill- I don't, also, think that
> any of our cognitive equipment contains any memes. Memories, sure.
> Ideas, sure. Feelings, sure. Templates, well, sure, call a stack of
> memories and ideas and feelings what you want.
I call them memes if their meaning is transmitted from one person to another.
> Bill's connection with music was also a prime source, because my ideas
> about performance were mostly fed from the writings of John Cage, and
> his exploration of what music is and how it happens was an early
> aesthetic mountain I loved to sit on.
> I think someone, it might even have been Bill, was asking about
> language and music and poetry and dance. Well, I don't remember the
> question, I'm afraid, but, another source, deep in my academic past,
> always emerges when I see a question about the communicative
> possibilities of different performance modalities. And that is, a
> thesis that, once upon a time, just before recorded history, music
> and speech and poetry and dance were not separate activities, at all,
> but what language was. The thesis went on to describe how writing was
> really more a matter of choreographology than mere sound analog.
> Could be, I always thought.
> And, I like that thought of 'could be' sitting in my head. It happened
> when I first heard about memes. It happened when I first heard Dennett
> mention algorithms. It happened when I sat in the audience listening
> to Damasio and his feelings of what happens, because I had an old
> irish myth sitting in my brain that was a tale of a hero's response to
> the question, 'what is the finest music?' and he said- 'the finest
> music is the music of what happens.'
> - Wade
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