Date: Tue 20 May 2003 - 01:52:39 GMT
> On Monday, May 19, 2003, at 08:21 PM, Keith wrote:
> > Do you have any doubt that the physical representation of a meme in
> > a brain (where memes exist as a class of memory) can be found?
> The typical blind spot revealed by this question is this- nothing, in
> cognitive theory, or in actual fMRI studies, has shown any need to
> _classify_ memory, and certainly there is no reason, other than sheer
> imaginative or protective defense, to claim there are classes of
> memory, especially to the degree that a unique class of memory exists
> that has to be called a meme.
> Again, the memeinthemind model requires too much to be a validly
> functioning scientific model.
> Why, and how, does memory have classes? Is not that conjecture a
> frivolous and specious one from the get?
> Even in the following example, all you show is positional
> neurostructures, not 'classes of memories'.
The class of memory that would be occupied by memes is that subset that is replicated.
> > We can't
> > see them (yet) but memes-in-the-brain can be detected by the effects
> > they have in experiments such as baseball-island.
> The baseball island scenario was senseless as a detector of anything
> but the skill of a teacher to explain a game. Nothing about
> memesinthemind could be inferred or detected by that experiment.
> Indeed, in your explanation of it, you denied the teacher any role.
> Now _that_ was obvious. And telling someone that a teacher teaches is,
> as you say, _too_ obvious for funding.
But how a teacher teaches is by transmitting specific and unique-to the- recipient (i.e. not known before the lesson) sign-referent association strings to pupils, and that is indeed memetic transmission, as any transmission of previously unknown-to-the-recipient meaning is.
> - Wade
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