Date: Sun 18 May 2003 - 19:09:34 GMT
> On Friday, May 16, 2003, at 09:05 PM, memetics-digest wrote:
> > The ideational and the actional are BOTH ESSENTIAL for
> > the process to function, and NEITHER can be reasonably denied.
> Of course they are. And the performance model _does not_ deny them, at
> all. They are all qualities of the performers and observers. But what
> the memeinthemind model _does_ deny is the action of the venue itself
> and almost any and all aleatory or chance happenstances. The process
> of cultural evolution does not occur, at all, in a vacuum of
> non-performing ideational agents or in perfect and non-moving air upon
> a static ground.
No, it doen't deny such action; it simply states that it is largely dependent upon cognitive intention. The meme is encoded in one fashion in the mind, in another fashion in a demonstration, in a third in an elucidation, in a forth in a missive, etc. We may not be presently able to microtranslate (decode) the dynamic and recursive neural net patterns comprising individual cognitively stored memes, but we DO know their cortical locations (tunes and sentences in the temporal, vistas in the occipital, etc., due to fMRI studies), just as we know that when we find cuneiform on a parchment that it is indeed written language, even if we can't yet read it. And if you doubt this, take away a chapter - say, the occipital chapter, and see what you can see.
> After all, yes, there _is_ a process that needs to _function_, and in
> order to function, actors are needed.
Actions that follow a template that is not contained within the actions themselves, but cognitively serves to guide them.
> Not just the script, not just the stage, not just the audience sitting
> and waiting, but, an actor performing, and all are needed together,
> not just one at a time, or one over there and one over here.
Which is why memes exist, in different coding modes, in both minds and motions.
> - Wade
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