From: Van oost Kenneth (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Sun 18 May 2003 - 16:05:09 GMT
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From: "Philip Jonkers" <email@example.com>
> >At any rate, my main point was that a common mistake made in popular
> >memetics is one of calling something like 'baseball' a meme, where
> >baseball is in fact a huge aggregation of thousands of cultural
> >processes, and to call it a single meme would be madness.
> By the same token calling a computer a meme would also be madness
> then since a computer is also a vast conglomerate of countless smart
> engineering inventions that calling it one meme would also
> be madness???
Wade, if I may,
You have to look at baseball, at computer, like Douglas Booker wrote,
on 18/ 03/ 2003. Baseball can be considered as the nominal meme, the
grundnorm, the marker. The ' memes ' are the thoughts, the results, the
follow- up performances, the pre- suppostions, the claims, the cases,
the continious agents, all possible moments,.....you can get out of it.
It is the specific cultural venue that allows performances to happen and
yes, thinking is one of them.
But an interesting aspect about the post of Douglas was his remark
about the verb- like stuff of things.
I consider performances, described like by Wade, being things that
produce uptake, like Austin claimed for his speech- acts.
What those markers can do is producing uptake, the problem is than
that performances only can be justified within the context of being
' verbs ' or verb- like.
Baseball is than, yes indeed no meme, thinking about it is !
Computer is no meme, using it is !
The problem is, consequently that ' memes' and than just as
such defined only can originate if at the bias there is a 'verb '
present_ or the 4 types of which Austin was so proud of,
constatives, directives, commissives and acknowledgments.
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