From: Reed Konsler (email@example.com)
Date: Fri 16 May 2003 - 13:01:52 GMT
> If a book is where rules are written down, such as rules for baseball, a
> person trying to teach these rules will try their best to use the book
> artifact) as a basis to teach the rules to others.
I understand that. It would seem to me that the memes are recorded in the
book and then replicated (with whatever arbitrary level of fidelity) in the
mind of the people reading the book. But, from what I understand of the
performance model, it holds that the memes are actually in the performances.
I'm trying to understand the difference between memes being recorded in an
object (like a book or mind) and in a performance. I'm also trying to
understand what happens to memes between performances. Perhaps there is no
"between performances"? Is culture one continuous stream of them?
> >...An expedition from First Base
> >lands on an island called "Second Base" and, after a little exploring,
> >returns to First leaving behind a bunch of junk they don't need. Among
> >this junk is the rules of baseball.
> Are they hanging in the air as a Platonic eidos aaitiing a moment that
> be copied imperfectly into this imperfect world?
Well now, that's just silly isn't it?
> "Second Basers" via word of mouth and performance after learning it from
> First Basers?
Sorry, that was unclear. There are no native inhabitants of Second Base.
The only humans that are ever there are the First Base expedition and then
the Third Base expedition. They are not on the island at the same time.
The Third Basers know of the First Basers only by inference (there are
artifacts of their previous presence). The First Basers do not know about
Third Basers and did not intend to transmit information to anyone outside
>Are they saved in a book of baseball rules that wa left by the
> First Baser expedition?
Let's say that it's written in tiny, tiny print on a baseball. The only
contact contact between First and Third is as the baseball passes Second.
> The last two possibilities are realistic and are based either on
performance or artifact.
Or? Are there memes on the baseball?
> You are still not explicit as how these rule were left. This happens to
> crucial piece of information for you to have left it out.
I was trusting that you would interpret me in the best possible light. I
was hoping that you would fill in something logical if I left a detail out.
It's going to be tough otherwise.
> I think you sealed Wade's case up fairly tightly for him and I'm sure he's
Are you under the impression that we're trying to "win" an argument?
What purpose would that serve?
> >The questions I have are:
> >1) What performance or performances allowed the game of baseball to
> In the case of the rule book, where's the internal meme? It would be
> performance guided by reading.
Before someone reads the baseball, where are the memes? Where are the memes
during the period when no one is playing baseball?
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