Re: transmission

Date: Thu 15 May 2003 - 16:59:53 GMT

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    > > The verbal communication of the 'there's a bear in the berry patch'
    > > meme will indeed result in some meme-recipient people not visiting
    > > the berry patch. But so will the 'in the berry patch, there is a
    > > bear' meme, and for the same people. Performance-wise, these are
    > > very different; the speech-action is not even close. Yet, they
    > > result in the same avoidance. Clearly the meaning that is encoded
    > > in the speech act, that is, the semantics of the message, is the
    > > essential, and the particular structure of the message (a structure
    > > which mandates a particular speech-act performance) is variable.
    > > Now, suppose that one of our meme-recipients is a bear hunter. The
    > > sellfsame meme (in any particular construction) that caused others
    > > to avoid the berry patch will cause him to grab his gun and rush
    > > right over. But why? Quite simply, because the message interacts
    > > with already- present memesinthemind, and the hunter's cognitive
    > > gestalt is different from that of the treasurer of the local PETA
    > > chapter. Thus, we see that the same action can be caused by
    > > different constructions of a meme (or even by different memes; say,
    > > there's a mountain lion in the berry patch), while different people
    > > will perform differently when presented with the selfsame meme,
    > > depending upon their existent cognitive gestalt, or the
    > > memealreadyintheirminds. Our bear hunter might respond the same or
    > > differently, depending upon whether he is also a mountain lion
    > > hunter. Meaning, quite simply, cannot be swept under a performatory
    > > rug, and it is a fundamental confusion to mistake the encoding
    > > device (a pattern of perceptual changes, such as speech-originated
    > > sound waves encountering one's ears) for the cognitively authored
    > > significance encoded in specific sound patterns.
    > Joe,
    > But it doesn 't matter if there was a bear hunter among the people or
    > not ! The words, there is a bear in the berry- patch, has been spoken
    > out to des- cribe an imminently dangerous situation in a tone that was
    > designed to warn people off, the obsevers might actually be frighted
    > and back off. Not the bear hunter though, he would indeed take up his
    > gun and go hunting, but it is his existent cognitive gestalt that
    > makes him do it. His gestalt is indeed different but it is even so a
    > cultural command as sitting tight and be frighted of things to come.
    > The cultural intention is present in the behavior of the hunter as it
    > is in the behavior of the others doing nothing. It is how one
    > perceives the info that results into a certain behavior and that is
    > due to, indeed the meme- recipients. The speech- actions had to be
    > recognized, for the formers they were afraid and sat down and did
    > nothing, for the latter, he stood up and went hunting. There was no
    > intention by the speaker to set off that the ones stay put and that
    > the other went hunting or was there !? We can 't tell, people will
    > perform differently upon the selfsame meme, yes indeed depending upon
    > their existent cognitive gestalt, but there is still a doubt that this
    > is done by alreadyinthemindexistingmemes, or memo- ry, or whatever. It
    > all can boil down to recognition, to association with and upon
    > existing models/ arguments and definitions.
    > Maybe there isn 't anymemeinthemind, but simply neurons switching on
    > and off by " recognizing " viewpoints/ experiences, freedoms and
    > repressions. Maybe cultural evolution is due to our genetic ability to
    > recognize the simularities between what our neurons tell us and what
    > the environment/ culture itself demands/ commands.
    Those neuronal pattern-switches are, according to MANY MEMETIC MODELS models (see THE ELECTRIC MEME) how memes are cognitively encoded.
    > Regards,
    > Kenneth
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