From: Van oost Kenneth (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Thu 27 Mar 2003 - 20:14:00 GMT
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From: "Wade T. Smith" <email@example.com>
Meaning and intent, so gleefully
> propounded by the memeinthemind theorists, implies design, and, I'm not
> actually very sorry, but ID is out of the question in darwinian
> analysis, and it should be totally out of the question in memetics.
If for whatever reason ' design ' has to be counted in, in the analyses of
memetics, than yes indeed Darwinian models are out of the question.
Design implies Lamarckian patterns !
And yet, this motive to 'memetically engineer' persists. Perhaps it is, in
> some root, fascistic? I personally think so. I personally reject it,
> precisely so. It is also rejectable because, outside of culture,
> meaning and intent and even method all vanish, as I so perfectly
> observed with the Tlingit tribal elders, and as thousands if not
> millions of extinctions of cultures over time and history attest.
Here I think I must disagree partly.
Memetical engineering people in the ways that they would fit into
an ideological/ political/ cultural/ social/... standard, I agree and I
too would call this fascistic, but not, maybe I am ( very) naive
if you use the analyses to ' help ' people.
I said this before, knowing what memetics implies and yes thinking
about the possible influences which personal performances or per-
formances done by others ( will) have on you, your friends, family,
state, land, etc can result in setting up ' aid- programs '.
I am personally all for a ' complete ' freedom of the individual, in
that respect that now, call them ' offenders ', ain 't got the proper
social/ cultural ' tools ' to their disposal to do what they want to do.
Therefor I am keen on what is called holodeck- technology, what
IMO can benefit, in its final practical application, of the process
of analyses in memetics.
Where now ' sexual abusers ' , within a culture, has no place to
go, besides prison if they were to be caught, I forsee, and that
day will never come, I know that, that one day they will get
access to perfectly constructed surroundings, with all of its
sensorially perceived and stored stimuli, that will fit their needs.
If memetics would be the pattering of the motions of culture and
if performances are the units of culture_ and I never saw, Wade,
that any performance was excluded in your scheme_ than the
' performances ' of those participants should have a place to fit in, ( in our culture ). Now those people ' perform ' in our outside world with all their consequences attached to, it would be better, for the both of us, I suppose, that we 'll have both a place where we rightly can cultural/ social ' perform ' what, when, where and how we want........No !?
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