Re: Follow the war/peace discussion here

From: Keith Henson (
Date: Wed 12 Mar 2003 - 02:43:34 GMT

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    This got clipped. You can post it if you want. Keith

    At 11:21 PM 09/03/03 -0500, Scott wrote:

    >This would be topical how? I hate being Miss Manners here, believe me I
    >do, but if I'm enacting a self-imposed moratium on the Iraq topic for sake
    >of the list I'd hope others would follow suit. Otherwise, it's no holds barred.

    It certainly could be warped around to memetics or evolutionary psychology with relatively little effort. Or even to catastrophe theory involving competing war/no war memes.

    It could be seen from the EP angle of Bush seeking status. One way to improve your status (and humans, even the president, never have enough) is to display superior judgment. This is especially true if you take an unpopular line and it works. (Something I did not long ago in another context.)

    It is a high risk business though. Backing a failed meme set results in near instant disgrace. Even if you are right others are resentful for showing their judgment was not as good as yours.

    The other interesting meme related matter to watch is support for fighting inside Iraq. The classic example of a meme sea change would be Japan after the two A bombs were dropped and the Emperor talked on the radio. The country went almost overnight from fight to the death meme set to memes for full cooperation with the former enemy.

    But I agree Scott, you have to get under the superficials.

    Keith Henson

    At 06:31 PM 10/03/03 -0500, you wrote:
    >In a message dated 3/10/2003 8:36:02 AM Central Standard Time,
    > writes:
    >Dear Bruce,
    >Well done, and thank you.
    >I do hope that someday we can discuss these matters on this list -- from a
    >memetic point of view there are much rich materials for discussion and
    >research appearing daily. But given the state of the list today, you have
    >done the only thing possible.
    >[Jake] Since this involved one of our uniquely credible miscreants, Joe
    >Dees, on behalf of the Church of the Virus, and in the interest of keeping
    >your own forum manageable, as many of us at the CoV follow this forum as
    >well, I invite you to follow the war and peace thread over to the CoV, here,
    >"re: virus: memes against war?"
    >. . . on the Email list, where it may stay briefly before it will get
    >moved onto the BBS proper if it lasts long enough. Note that the CoV
    >takes no stand at this point on current war/peace issues as we can't
    >collectively get our own crap together on this one, but I do recognize the
    >moderation issue that this has grown into. So if you want to continue the
    >discussion go there and check it out. Please keep in mind and respect our
    >own moderation interests as we may decide to move threads like this into
    >appropriate places on the BBS.
    >-Jake Sapiens

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