Re: Memes For Peace

From: Jeremy Bradley (
Date: Sun 09 Mar 2003 - 19:21:10 GMT

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    At 09:53 PM 9/03/03 +1100, Bruce wrote: Snip...................... While I tend to agree with Joe on the humanitarian aspect of the Iraq situation, there are other issues implicit in the wording of Bryan's post which cause concern. The least not being the concept of "memetic engineering", which I think is an oxymoron. Even the opposing forces within the memetics definition debate agree that a meme is a cultural unit.
     Is not culture the conglomerate of inherited ideas, beliefs, values and knowledge? Have not all attempts to overtly "engineer" culture failed?

    Jeremy's reply: I don't think so Bruce, hasn't Hollywood been active in the production of memes which reach out across the globe? Is this not memetic engineering? When I was living with an Indigenous Australian group which had not had a lot of outside contact, the change in children's behaviour was observable when they got a VCR and started watching USAnian crap. For me, memetic engineering is akin to propaganda, but it operates at a more subtle level. If we look at the Nazi regime's manipulation of art and theatre, we can see this effect, and, dare I say, it is observable in poor Joe's foaming at the mouth replies to any critique of his beloved USAnia's war on Islam. Making war to create peace is an oxymoron and can never work. War, especially such a one sided war, will perpetuate violence and only profit arms dealers. Sorry to be lurking for so long all. And Joe, don't worry, I am far too busy to reply too much at the moment as I am running an election campaign. But, to quote a great USanian memetic construct, I'll be back. Jeremy the do-gooder

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