Date: Thu 06 Mar 2003 - 17:28:32 GMT
> >> No argument, but, hmmm, we can't duplicate the conditions that this
> >> natural selection occured within, can we? Nope, that time/space is
> >> gone.
> > Which is exactly why a different environmental condition might
> > select for a different mutation among the subsequent alternatives -
> > in other words, evolution continues.
> You know I agree- this is performance time/space, and a different
> environment, and that is where cultural evolution happens. One
> individual player is only part of this time/space. And in order for
> cultural evolution to continue, we need all the players.
However, a single identifiable behavior might exist over many physically executed repetitions, motivated by multiple iterations of a single cognitively stored and meme or memeset, until the environment changes enough to compell a change.
> >> But, yes, I am arguing that intention need not be communicated, at
> >> all, and can be lost for all time.
> > But the communication of intention is not prohibited, and indeed, is
> > quite memetically ubiquitous.
> Here's where I disagree, kinda. Yes, the deduction of intention is not
> prohibited, is, as you say, ubiquitous, and might even be a full
> disclosure with no ambiguities, but there is no guarantee or necessity
> that this occur, as an entirely different meaning might be ascribed to
> an action than the originator of the action intended, and this
> 'mistake' might be what is culturally replicated. Spoonerisms, for
The exception probes the scope of the rule by its very status as an exception. Nevertheless, the very fact that there is a special name for spoonerisms indicates that they are not the baseline.
> Where the mistake is made, that interaction between performer and
> audience, is where memetics happens and where the meme exists. In my
> model. The rest is only usual, genetic, developmental, behavior.
Dawkins' intentional application of evolutionary theory to ideas was no mistake, nor did it initially occur outside his head.
> - Wade
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