Date: Thu 06 Mar 2003 - 17:22:12 GMT
> On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 11:07 PM, Joe wrote:
> >> Yes, you have no memes in your brain- no information passed on in
> >> identical form from one artifact or behavior to another. What you
> >> have is, as you say, accessibility to the stored information
> >> (memories) in your brain, according to the way you've stored it, or
> >> it's been allowed to be stored in that brain, both by intrinsic
> >> processes of mental development and extrinsic processes of cultural
> >> environment and learning.
> > Memories are meme-ories, and may not only be stored in the brain,
> > but alos modified there.
> Memories are just memories, imperfect as they are- "accomodated for
> assimilation by a similar yet not identical cognitive gestalt." Memes
> happen in behavior, and they are created anew every time.
Tell that to the person drinking their thousandth beer, or smoking their ten thusandth cigarette.
> 'Modification' happens due to the effects of performer's skill-set and
> audience observation in the time/space of performance.
Dawkins' modification of genetic evolution to aply to ideas happened in his head.
> > The medium is the structure; the meaning is the semantic content.
> Semantic content is a cultural arm-chair observation.
Nope; it's the meaning that is cognitively apprehended by a conscious self-awareness.
> >> The nub, because I disagree with this. None of it has any meaning
> >> until you perform it. There is no meaning, (review your first
> >> quote) in your head.
> > You cannot physically perform what you do not cognitively possess.
> When you fall, you have no cognitive possession whatsoever of your
> physical performance.
Clumsiness is genetic, not memetic.
> There is a serendipity present in all
> performances, and there is no reason to not culturally replicate the
> fall. And, if by 'cognitive possession' you mean 'conscious intention'
> (not that you do), but, that is highly debatable. Even the most
> skilled of performers will relate that their finest performances were
> the ones where they almost didn't seem to be there, consciously they
> were detached from the performance.
And at the same time, one must pay SOME attention to one's driving, and use the remembered rules of the road and operating instructions for the car, in order to avoid accidents.
> But, if what you are saying is that physical performance is in someway
> identical to cognitive possession, well, that is patently fallacious.
Physical performance is not identical to cognitive possession, but inasmuch as that performance is intentional, it is dependent upon cognitive possession.
> And where it is not, which is in the time/space of the performance
> itself, is where the meme is.
You commit an error of conflation here. The meme is motivating the performance, but it is not the performance itself. The performance is the sex of the meme; it is how it replicates. Humans genetically need sex to replicate, but we are not reduceable to our coition.
> - Wade
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