Date: Mon 03 Mar 2003 - 19:06:59 GMT
> On Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 11:06 PM, memetics-digest wrote:
> > This is true as I have stated and utterly inconsequential to
> > memetics where human brains are properly modeled as black boxes.
> But again, the memeinthemind model has not, in any way, verified or
> properly explained the validity of the black box.
> > If you asked a large number of American boys how many strikes it
> > takes to get you out in baseball do you have *any* doubt that the
> > vast majority (99% plus) would answer 3? How much more identical
> > can you get?
> I believe there was a donkey called Hans who could answer that
> question as well. An elicited standard response is not a unique
> behavior of sports-indoctrinated usanian boys. Indeed, behavioral
> studies of many species has shown a wide variety of conditioned
> The startling probability that culture is also an emergent phenomenon
> would seem to me to be the more valid model. It does not require some
> new and unexplained 'black box' to be inserted within the operations
> of the brain, a 'black box' which, in the memeinmind model, has not
> been shown, as of yet, to be necessary, although a lot of huffing and
> puffing is going on, not to mention hand-waving, to claim it is.
> Culture is a behavior. It is also part of the response to an
> environment that is unique among humans, filled with varieties of
> artifacts that are not part of nature in several ways.
> But, of course, I must, as is my wont in furthering the
> memeinperformance model, pursue all and any objections to the
> memeinthemind model. I am aware I have not convinced too many people,
> if any, that the memeinperformance is the valid one, but, to me, it is
> the one that survives after Occam's cuts.
> I can show you the brain, and I can show you varieties of behaviors
> from this brain in a wide range of creatures. You try to tell me
> there's some black box inside it that I don't need.
> I ain't buyin' it.
> - Wade
Hokay, take someone, remove their brain, and try to get behavior out of what's left.
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