Hello, can anyone help?

From: Steve Drew (sd014a6399@blueyonder.co.uk)
Date: Sun 16 Feb 2003 - 00:53:35 GMT

  • Next message: Keith Henson: "Re: Hello, can anyone help?"

    Hi Martha.

    I suspect that your bosses are not amenable to change, and I doubt that reading ten books will make them change their views. As some one who was
    'saved' at the age of 22 (and since given it a body swerve) I would suggest that there Is not much you can do. Read the Bible though as it forms part of the history of the Western Civilisation, and is useful for looking at the moralistic perspectives that Bush and Blair are adopting at the moment, to name a few that have adopted a holier than thou approach to the world.

    If I could recommend a few books they would be:

    Where God Went Wrong, Some More Of Gods Greatest's Mistakes, And Who is this God Person Anyway? (*)

    But I don't think they are in print at the moment :-)



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    > Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:56:26 -0500
    > From: "Martha Granger" <inthecorn@kconline.com>
    > Subject: Hello, can anyone help?
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    > I joined this group a couple of months ago, and I am certainly no =
    > expert, nor have I even studied memetics. I think I found this group =
    > when I was searching for sites and information about how Christianity =
    > started or evolved into what it has become because I am currently living =
    > in such a "bible-istic" area.. although isn't most of the USA that way? =
    > As a matter of fact, when I found your group was the moment I first =
    > learned of the word "memetics." A lot of what I have read here in the =
    > past has lead me to believe I in no way am qualified to belong here, a =
    > lot of it seems over my head. I've remained enlisted in this group, but =
    > have kept quiet until now.
    > Recent postings have caught my attention, as they relate to religion.
    > A few days ago, I got into a "discussion" with my boss (and friend) =
    > regarding Christianity. He and his wife (his wife is also a boss of =
    > mine in the small company I work for) are such the devout Baptists. JC, =
    > the company president is quite the "know-it-all." They of course, want =
    > me to be "saved" and seem to believe that if I would just read the =
    > bible, that I would realize that it is indeed "the greatest book in the =
    > world" and that I will become a Christian. Whatever.. He believes that =
    > anyone who is not "saved" will go to "hell" (me), and he, of course, =
    > will go to "heaven." He told me that he has read several books on =
    > religion, including the Qurah (sp?) and translations of old original =
    > texts and has come to this conclusion on his own that Christian is the =
    > only way to be.
    > However, my boss did make an offer that I just may take him up on! He =
    > told me that he would read 10 books of my choosing if only I would read =
    > the bible! Hmm... that would take quite a bit of patience on my part. =
    > It also would be a big undertaking for me, as I would wish to point out =
    > stupidity and errors of the bible and present him with a composition at =
    > completion. I really don't know if it is worth all of that time on my =
    > part, as he is such a strong believer. I think he could somehow "argue =
    > away" any book I could happen to come up with for his reading.
    > I would surely appreciate any insite that anyone here could provide to =
    > me. It certainly seems that most or all who are part of this list are =
    > quite studied and intelligent. Perhaps you can recommend books that I =
    > can present to him? Or perhaps you will tell me it is of no use wasting =
    > my time reading and studying the bible, as there is no way to convince =
    > him of his brainwashing, no matter what books I give him. You may email =
    > me directly if you believe this does not pertain to the purpose of the =
    > list.
    > Thank you in advance for any insite anyone can provide,
    > Martha (a computer programmer/analyst in Bible-country, Indiana, U.S.A.)

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