Date: Sun 15 Dec 2002 - 20:53:56 GMT
> So, Joe, I guess you are saying that, after all our requests, you
> flatly now refuse to tell us who is behind the MEMRI site, eh?
I'm not sure, but I know that if I could find out from the site, so could Islamofascist terrorists. I AM sure that their translations are accurate; if they weren't, the complainers would flock topoint out their inaccuracies instead of being forced to resort to the diaphanous ad hominem smear of "anti".
> No, I don't call you bigoted because your views differ with mine, but
> because your views reflect a depth of blind hatred and
> close-mindedness that reminds me of the worst of the southern racists
> I encountered during the civil rights movement, and the worst of
> anti-Asian bigotry that I saw during the Viet Nam war.... There is
> no doubt in you, Joe. I can't recall when you ever asked anyone on
> this list for their views, (except rhetorically). You are close-minded
> to the point of caricature.
Actually, my views are informed by the words and actions of those whom I hold those views about. I have been open-minded enough to take their words and actions at face value; something you seem to have a major problem doing. If you wanna read about deep blind hatred and closed-mindedness from the epitomes of these vices' own mouths, you should read further into the MEMRI site. And I see damned little doubt in you; so little that you don't even wanna see what these memebots themselves have to say about their own bigotrous religio-political hatreds. Of course, the last rhetorical refuge of an extremist on one pole is to call all dissenters extremists on the other pole. In other words, your definition of a bigot seems to be all those who do not share your own bigotries.
> Now, you will say that this is an ad hominum criticism, and as I have
> explained to you before, of course you are right: it IS, often, a
> criticism of you personally, or those you rely on.
My sources are impeccable; you cannot succeed in impugning them, however much you try. You just can't handle the truth, even when told by those we are discussing, as it contradicts your emotion-invested fantasy construct on the matter. You don't like the horse's mouth? Tough turds; it says what it says.
> And the reason for
> it is simple: you are clearly not here to learn anything, to enter
> into genuine dialogue. You are here to peddle you memes, and will do
> so blindly so long as anyone chooses to interact with you.
This sounds like you on this issue. I furnish evidence and references; you groundlessly and unsupportedly bloviate, fulminater and attack.
> I do choose
> to do so, and choose to do so through commentary on your personality,
> motives, and methodology. You are beyond substantive interaction and
> so I do not waste my time on that with you, and there is nothing left
> but addressing the matter of your processes.... Be glad that that is
> sufficient, for I am suspect that you find it better to be attacked
> than to be ignored.
You are becoming as beyond the pale on this issue as Ted dace is on Sheldrakean morphic resonance. Unable to counter the examples I present, all you have left is smear and invective - and you do not hesitate for a New York second to resort to it.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: email@example.com [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]On
> > Behalf Of email@example.com Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 2:37
> > PM To: firstname.lastname@example.org Subject: RE: Another "Example" of the
> > Radical Islam Memeplex
> > > Actually, Joe, given your difficulty with sources, (and such
> > > things as your yet unreported disclosure of just WHO is behind the
> > > MEMRI site, as well as WHO has criricized me regarding my sources,
> > > as you accused some time ago and seem to be trying to now forget),
> > > I would prefer simply that you post your own views, deeply bigoted
> > > as I find them to me, and cease trying to find others to bolster
> > > your case. You, after all, are your own primary source.
> > >
> > Ad hominem again; you only find my views bigotedf because they do
> > not conform to your own obvious prejudices. My sources have been
> > enumerated countless times here; you cannot even number yours. ASnd
> > no, I WILL NOT stop posting what malicious Islamofascist memebots
> > are saying about us infidels, in their own words, whether it pops
> > your "noble oppressed Muslim" fantasy memebubble or not.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: email@example.com [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]On
> > > > Behalf Of email@example.com Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002
> > > > 1:51 PM To: firstname.lastname@example.org Subject: RE: Another "Example" of
> > > > the Radical Islam Memeplex
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > But there's the rub, Joe. These sites are not about 'truth'
> > > > > but about persuasion. They use the tactics of propaganda. Just
> > > > > to be clear: I am not just referring to pro-Israeli or
> > > > > anti-Islamic sites, but to pro-Arab and anti-Israeli sites as
> > > > > well.
> > > > >
> > > > > That is precisely why primary sites and a comprehensive
> > > > > consideration of the issues are vital. In your biased postings
> > > > > of anti-Muslim and pro-Israeli materials and in your
> > > > > reluctance to answer our specific questions about them, you
> > > > > put yourself in a position of just being a megaphone to the
> > > > > propagandists. There is not doubt that you believe that what
> > > > > you say is truthful, but that is precisely the aim of
> > > > > propaganda -- to get otherwise naive people repeating the
> > > > > propaganda as if it were the truth.
> > > > >
> > > > I'm sorry for your torturous path to disillusionment, but you
> > > > simply can't get around the fact that those are actual
> > > > broadcasts that were beamed into Middle East homes on the dates
> > > > and by the stations provided. No one else needs to propagandize
> > > > against them - just let them speak for themselves; their own
> > > > actual words reveal their bilous hatred and their commitment to
> > > > infecting their infants with it much more effectively than
> > > > anything a propagandist could manufacture. You complain when I
> > > > post not my words, but their own.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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