Re: Some Saudi Schools Teach Students to Hate the U.S., Love Osama

From: Grant Callaghan (
Date: Fri 13 Dec 2002 - 14:46:13 GMT

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    >On Friday, December 13, 2002, at 12:39 AM, Jeremy Bradley wrote:
    >>when communicating with myopic fundies of any denomination, [...] each
    >>example discussed is treated as an attack on the meme-team's territory. It
    >>is therefore stoutly defended.
    >This is another way of saying that arguing with a believer is futile.
    >Better to just get rid of the non-believers....
    >>What I want to find out is, is there a difference between someone who
    >>Islam and someone who hates the US, and is the difference 'real' or
    >On almost any front, hate is hate and allows violence. Is hate memetic?
    >That goes back to what our nature is. We are certainly killers, certainly
    >lovers. Ain't memetics more a way to filter and utilize these urges?
    >The memetic filters of islam do not prevent violence because they do not
    >condemn it against the enemy, and they have a very singular and fundamental
    >definition of enemy.
    >- Wade
    I would say hate the emotion is genetic but what it is directed at is memetic or learned. Almlost all of us are born with the capacity to hate but life and what we are taught give us the reason and the target. That part is not rational nor are emotions in general. If you hate your life, you need to direct that hate at someone or it will consume you. Self hate is also a problem for many people. Psychiatrists have to deal with it all the time.

    So trying to wrap up a complex issue like that with a simple philosophy is next to impossible.


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