Re: arguments with the faithful

From: Grant Callaghan (
Date: Wed 04 Dec 2002 - 17:33:11 GMT

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    >On Wednesday, December 4, 2002, at 11:13 , Grant Callaghan wrote:
    >>I think these are all serious issues that have the potential to affect the
    >>lives of everyone in the world today. There is this fiction that it
    >>requires a religious leader to cause this affect. It doesn't.
    >This morning I was having a conversation with a co-worker about the newly
    >released documents from the local archdiocese about abuses allowed and
    >fostered under that regime. I pointed out that such coddling and apologies
    >come just as often from any institution- CEO's who fondle secretaries,
    >policemen who receive bribes, choose your own example. These are the
    >ravaging perks of power. It is the allowance of such power that is the
    >dishearteningly seemingly unstoppable crime- these same leaders get elected
    >again and again, given promotions by boards of directors, and medals by
    >their peers.
    >But, of course, they also get discovered, and, something trips up, and they
    >are prosecuted, or exiled, or otherwise disgraced and ostracized. This
    >process takes a long time, sometimes, especially when hierarchies are
    >encouraged and imagined to be a working organizational model.
    >It might not require a religious leader, but, in many ways, it does. It
    >requires someone touching that part, whatever it is. A faith-based leader,
    >at the very least, a con-man, in many ways.
    >We still need a firmer bedrock of critical observation, and, IMHO, it is a
    >very good thing here in Boston that the clergy is finally being seen as the
    >guild of liars that it's always been.
    >- Wade
    Maybe the "faith-based leader" is the strange attractor Sam Rose was looking for to fit into his complexity theory.


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