From: Lawrence DeBivort (email@example.com)
Date: Tue 03 Dec 2002 - 17:05:08 GMT
Welcome to the list, Sam.
Lots of different conversations going on here. I'm glad you've jumped in.
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> From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:email@example.com]On Behalf
> Of Samuel Rose
> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 11:36 AM
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> Subject: Complexity and Memetics
> Hello memetics list,
> My name is Sam Rose. I'm an independent researcher of Complex Adaptive
> Systems, memetics, futures studies, and media ecology. I've spent the
> last couple of years studying the BIO-PSYCHO-SOCIAL emergent, cyclical
> levels of existence (ECLET) theories of Dr Clare W Graves and it's spin
> off theories.
> I haven't had the chance to comb through all of the archives yet, but I
> was hoping to strike up a dialogue here relating complexity to memetics.
> So far, my only exposure to memetics has been through Aaron Lynch's
> "Thought Contagion" Robert Aunger's "Darwinizing Culture" and "The
> Electric Meme" (still reading electric meme now). If anyone can
> recommend any other work, feel free to do so.
> I am most interested now in understanding how memes work into self
> sustaining non-linear systems. The self-assembly of memes seems to
> reflect the behavior of "strange attractors" in CAS theory. The self
> replication and non-linear transmission of memes seems to be an integral
> part of biological, psychological, and social systems. I think CAS and
> memetics can help us understand why a system may "break down" and
> reassemble into separate systems under certain conditions. This can
> often be seen on internet mailing lists that discuss theories dealing
> with human social interaction systems in real time, like memetics. To
> discuss something like memetics, we may want or need to use current
> events in order to test or models, theories and hypothesis. These
> discussions are self sustaining until a global event happens and is
> brought into the system that causes some degree of dissonance. Most of
> the participants in the online discussion group are also simultaneously
> part of larger systems. Global events seem to both generate and activate
> memes within individuals. If the paradigms those memes are tied to are
> drastically different for individuals who make up a system, then the
> system may break down and reassemble into two or more new systems,
> though they may still exist within the same environment (an internet
> discussion list, for instance). One theory says that this "dissonance"
> is caused by collections of memes, or "meta-memes" that make up an
> individual and group complex adaptive system.(that theory is spiral
> dynamics see: www.spiraldynmamics.com) It seems there is a
> cultural/social view, a psychological view, and a biological/genetic
> view into these types of systems. Internet subcultures like discussion
> groups and lists seem to be more vulnerable to the break down of self
> sustenance than face to face relationships. At the same time they can be
> valuable learning tools, and information can be shared more efficiently,
> and a broader base can be observed than in face to face type
> relationship systems.
> Anyway, I am interested in creating dialogue about these things. Any
> suggestions, clarifications, corrections, admonishments, brow beatings,
> or compliments are welcome.
> Sam Rose
> Founding Member
> The Billions of Minds Project
> This was distributed via the memetics list associated with the
> Journal of Memetics - Evolutionary Models of Information Transmission
> For information about the journal and the list (e.g. unsubscribing)
> see: http://www.cpm.mmu.ac.uk/jom-emit
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