Re: Joe

From: Scott Chase (
Date: Tue 03 Dec 2002 - 04:41:07 GMT

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    >Subject: Re: Joe
    >Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 22:01:13 -0600
    > > > From: Jon Gilbert <>
    > > >
    > > > >How long have you been on this list, Jon?
    > > >
    > > > Admittedly a short time.
    > >
    > > So you have no idea what you're talking about. Joe is a
    > > psychologically violent person with plenty of time on his hands, and
    > > we're trying to deal with this problem in a calm, constructive manner.
    > > It's hard enough to openly criticize a "serial bully" without some
    > > guy who has no clue as to what's going on telling us we're not being
    > > nice.
    > >
    > > Joe is an obvious, over-the-top sociopath. You don't need to be a
    > > psychiatrist or even a licensed mental health practitioner to figure
    > > that out. All it takes is a good background in abnormal psychology.
    > > The definitive text on personality disorders remains Otto Kernberg's
    > > *Borderline Conditions & Pathological Narcissism* (1975). There's
    > > also plenty of good material on the web. Here's a useful discussion:
    > > This site is
    > > designed to help people who must endure a sociopath in their
    > > workplace. Typical traits include:
    > >
    > > Arrested level of emotional development; whilst language and intellect
    > > may appear to be that of an adult, the bully displays the emotional
    > > age of a five-year-old
    > >
    > > Possessed of an exceptional verbal facility and will outmanoeuvre most
    > > people in verbal interaction, especially at times of conflict
    > >
    > > Relies on mimicry, repetition and regurgitation to convince others
    > > that he or she is both a "normal" human being and a tough dynamic
    > > manager, as in extolling the virtues of the latest management fads and
    > > pouring forth the accompanying jargon
    > >
    > > Holds deep prejudices (eg against the opposite gender, people of a
    > > different sexual orientation, other cultures and religious beliefs,
    > > foreigners, etc) but goes to great lengths to keep this prejudicial
    > > aspect of their personality secret
    > >
    > > Self-opinionated and displays arrogance, audacity, a superior sense of
    > > entitlement and a sense of invulnerability and untouchability
    > >
    > > Will launch an immediate personal attack attempting to restrict what
    > > you are permitted to say if you start talking knowledgeably about
    > > psychopathic personality or antisocial personality disorder in their
    > > presence - but aggressively maintains the right to talk (usually
    > > unknowledgeably) about anything they choose; serial bullies despise
    > > anyone who enables others to see through their deception and their
    > > mask of sanity
    > >
    > > Displays a compulsive need to criticise whilst simultaneously refusing
    > > to value, praise and acknowledge others, their achievements, or their
    > > existence
    > >
    > > Refuses to be specific and never gives a straight answer
    > >
    > > Has a Houdini-like ability to escape accountability
    > >
    > > Quick to belittle, undermine, denigrate and discredit anyone who
    > > calls, attempts to call, or might call the bully to account
    > >
    > > Arrogant, haughty, high-handed, and a know-all
    > >
    > > Constantly imposes on others a false reality made up of distortion and
    > > fabrication
    > >
    > > Displays a seemingly limitless demonic energy especially when engaged
    > > in attention-seeking activities or evasion of accountability and is
    > > often a committeeaholic or apparent workaholic _________
    > >
    > > Joe is a very damaging force on this list and displays only a passing
    > > interest in memes. He'd rather deluge us with anti-Palestinian
    > > polemics or even a two-part essay on Zen and existentialism (of all
    > > things) than discuss memetics. He makes ridiculous accusations that
    > > compel the target of his attacks to respond, setting off endless
    > > arguments that serve no purpose whatsoever. Personally, I won't
    > > respond to him. I don't care what he says. I assume the people on
    > > this list know better than to take him seriously. If everyone took
    > > this approach, there'd be a lot less distracting talk here.
    > >
    > > Ted
    > >
    >Like any bully, Ted is also a craven coward; he will talk ABOUT me (or
    >his deluded straw-man construct of me), but not TO me (when he says
    >that 'we're' trying to deal with me, I wonder if his pet cat is in the
    >for I do not see anyone else eager to sidle up to Ted's flank and enlist
    >in his petty little vendetta against me) . I am indeed intolerant of
    >intolerance, be it religious (as in Radical Islam or Fundamentalist
    >Christianity) or ideological and pseudoscientific (as in morphic
    >resonance or Marxist economic theory).
    >A comparison of Zen Buddhism and existential phenomenology is
    >indeed within the purview of this list, as is any study of the contrasts
    >between differing ideologies (read memeplexes); their respective
    >natures are highlighted by such comparisons. I have previously
    >submitted two other such studies here, comparing Christianity with
    >Marxism, and comparing Patriarchal Monotheism with NeoPaganism,
    >and have also offered other studies here, namely THE MEMETIC
    >ETHICS and TOOLS, LANGUAGE AND TEXT, all of which have to do
    >in some measure with memes.
    >My discussions here have not been evasive; far from it - they have
    >sometimes been criticized fro being overly blunt, but when confronted
    >with a persistent jackass such as Ted one sometimes must result to the
    >2x4-to the-head approach. And I have no difficulty discussing
    >psychopathology, particularly Ted's psychological projection of his own
    >character traits upon me - and anyone who's been around here for a
    >while saw those very character traits amply and abundantly exhibited in
    >his rantig raving screeds about Sheldrakeanism , which he appropriated
    >and in which he invested his emotional capital and his sense of self-
    >worth, for lack of anything original of his own to offer
    A curse of leaky faucets upon both of your houses. You guys are starting to sound like a couple of overeducated professional wrestlers trashtalking it up for the next pay per view. It's one thing to take issue with an idea, but quite another to go so blatantly personal (both of you).

    Hopefully Jon doesn't take getting caught in the crossfire up there towards the beginning of this bar room brawl too seriously.

    Lighten up and let it go.

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