Re: Joe

From: Dace (
Date: Tue 03 Dec 2002 - 03:34:23 GMT

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    > From: Jon Gilbert <>
    > >How long have you been on this list, Jon?
    > Admittedly a short time.

    So you have no idea what you're talking about. Joe is a psychologically violent person with plenty of time on his hands, and we're trying to deal with this problem in a calm, constructive manner. It's hard enough to openly criticize a "serial bully" without some guy who has no clue as to what's going on telling us we're not being nice.

    Joe is an obvious, over-the-top sociopath. You don't need to be a psychiatrist or even a licensed mental health practitioner to figure that out. All it takes is a good background in abnormal psychology. The definitive text on personality disorders remains Otto Kernberg's *Borderline Conditions & Pathological Narcissism* (1975). There's also plenty of good material on the web. Here's a useful discussion: This site is designed to help people who must endure a sociopath in their workplace. Typical traits include:

    Arrested level of emotional development; whilst language and intellect may appear to be that of an adult, the bully displays the emotional age of a five-year-old

    Possessed of an exceptional verbal facility and will outmanoeuvre most people in verbal interaction, especially at times of conflict

    Relies on mimicry, repetition and regurgitation to convince others that he or she is both a "normal" human being and a tough dynamic manager, as in extolling the virtues of the latest management fads and pouring forth the accompanying jargon

    Holds deep prejudices (eg against the opposite gender, people of a different sexual orientation, other cultures and religious beliefs, foreigners, etc) but goes to great lengths to keep this prejudicial aspect of their personality secret

    Self-opinionated and displays arrogance, audacity, a superior sense of entitlement and a sense of invulnerability and untouchability

    Will launch an immediate personal attack attempting to restrict what you are permitted to say if you start talking knowledgeably about psychopathic personality or antisocial personality disorder in their presence - but aggressively maintains the right to talk (usually unknowledgeably) about anything they choose; serial bullies despise anyone who enables others to see through their deception and their mask of sanity

    Displays a compulsive need to criticise whilst simultaneously refusing to value, praise and acknowledge others, their achievements, or their existence

    Refuses to be specific and never gives a straight answer

    Has a Houdini-like ability to escape accountability

    Quick to belittle, undermine, denigrate and discredit anyone who calls, attempts to call, or might call the bully to account

    Arrogant, haughty, high-handed, and a know-all

    Constantly imposes on others a false reality made up of distortion and fabrication

    Displays a seemingly limitless demonic energy especially when engaged in attention-seeking activities or evasion of accountability and is often a committeeaholic or apparent workaholic

    Joe is a very damaging force on this list and displays only a passing interest in memes. He'd rather deluge us with anti-Palestinian polemics or even a two-part essay on Zen and existentialism (of all things) than discuss memetics. He makes ridiculous accusations that compel the target of his attacks to respond, setting off endless arguments that serve no purpose whatsoever. Personally, I won't respond to him. I don't care what he says. I assume the people on this list know better than to take him seriously. If everyone took this approach, there'd be a lot less distracting talk here.


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