Re: Joe

From: Jon Gilbert (
Date: Tue 26 Nov 2002 - 20:26:13 GMT

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    >Tsk, tsk, Joe. I can see that you haven't read any of my postings on the
    >Israeli-Palestinian dispute during the last year plus....
    >Anti-American? How little you understand! And how little you know!
    >People on the list do tend to need to counter your diatribes by reminding
    >(or trying to remind you) of the flip side to your arguments, so it is quite
    >true that we end up presenting a litany of facts and concepts that try to
    >correct the imbalance we perceive in your views. But we have never had a
    >real discussion with you about the US and its foreign policy, Muslims,
    >Arabs, Jews, Israel or Palestine, because instead of a real discussion, we
    >get in to futile efforts to break through your prejudices and anger, as you
    >do to pound your views into us.
    >I am told that you have been kicked off another list (CoV), and warned on at
    >least one other, not because of the substance of your views but because of
    >the way you behave on the list. I do find that it makes true discussion
    >quite difficult and wastes a huge amount of time of people who otherwise
    >have a lot to offer each other and learn from each other.
    >There are a lot of interesting things that we should be discussing, and we
    >need to find a way to do it without your impeding the process.
    >My hope, Joe, is that we can let this calm down, and that you can consider
    >the effect you have on the list's interactions, and find some way to become
    >more effective for both yourself and the rest of us on this list.

    Hate to say this Larry but you seem to be the one that has the problem here, not Joe, whose only issue seems to be that he has too much time on his hands and thus posts an extraordinary amount of stuff. It's not a crime to be opinionated or to argue vehemently, which is what he seems to do. But I do take issue with the fact that you only engage in ad hominem attacks and avoid any direct engagement of the points he makes. All it does is make you look bad, not him.

    JS Gilbert

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