Date: Sun 24 Nov 2002 - 02:36:25 GMT
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> >Subject: Regarding MEMRI
> >Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 19:11:26 -0600
> >I respect Chomsky's opinions on these issues little more than I
> >respect those of Robert Fisk or Edward Said. What might trouble such
> >types about MEMRI (the Middle East Media Research Institute) is that
> >they present information and opinions that conflict with the schema
> >which the above authors proffer, but which they cannot refute, for
> >what they present are the horse's mouth messages of the Muslim
> >government officials, media outlets and mullahs themselves, and
> >although they might like to kill this translating messenger, the
> >messages are authentic, authentically translated, and their sources
> >are voluminously documented.
> >I found the following one to be particularly revealing:
> Ed Said would be an example of a solid presentation of the Palestinian
> POV. IIRC, from what I've read, he takes on the sacred cow of Arafat
> on too, so nobody is safe from his tractor beams. Chomsky is, of
> course, an American Leftist.
Arafat is only a sacred cow to some American and British leftists; he is not widely respected by his fellow Palestinians, who have for years seen him operate up close and personal. Edward Said, of course, wrote ORIENTALISM, a work that is now widely recognized as one of the prime pieces of ant-intellectual, questioning-closing-off propaganda in recent history.
> Like I said earlier, Joe, you might try picking up one of Avi Shlaim's
> books. The recent _The Iron Wall_ is pretty good as is _War and Peace
> in the Middle East_. Ahron Bregman brings, as Israeli soldier during
> Lebanon, an unexpected perspective in his _Israel's Wars_. I had read
> the previous edition where his new book apparently adds more material,
> including some on the controversial USS Liberty incident (which has
> also received much new coverage in books like Michael Oren's _Six Days
> of War_, A. Jay Cristol's _The Liberty Incident_, and James Bamford's
> _Body of Secrets_).
The USS Liberty incident is a shameful stain on Israel's history.
> After reading a bit of Shlaim's _Collusion across the Jordan_, I
> thought I'd take an intermission to learn more about Saudi history to
> see how it squares with his account wrt Jordan and Abdullah ibn
> Husayn. After realizing how the Ikwhan warriors became like
> Frankensteinian beduin creations of Abdul Aziz ibn Saud that went a
> tad too far in their frontier adventures against British controlled
> Hashemite Iraq and Jordan, I realized there's more than meets the eye.
> Robert Lacey's _The Kingdom_ portrays Abdul Aziz in a much better
> light, though still with some foibles.
> There's much room for POV in the Middle East.
Yeah, opinions and interpretations vary, but few of the facts are in serious dispute. Didja notice, though, that when I indulged in a little sacred cow-tipping of my own, that the anti-US, anti-Israel memeboids on the list rose up on their hind limbs in self-righteous wrath to hurl cowpies at me?
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