RE: Islam and Europe and Joe

From: Grant Callaghan (
Date: Sat 23 Nov 2002 - 16:11:27 GMT

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    >Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 22:45:07 +1100
    > >>I would argue that Lawrence's call to blissfully ignore devastating and
    > >>catastrophic events driven by such a voracious memeplex is itself a call
    > >>for cultural suicide; like telling one dog to roll over and expose its
    > >>belly
    > >>in submission, even though the other dog will eagerly rip out its
    > >> >
    >That's not what I hear Lawrence saying. I think that his point is that
    >problems with US foreign policy acceptance and Israeli expansionism, is not
    >a good reason to start what could well develop into a global conflagration.
    >The following is an item from the Arabic News. I hope that it puts the
    >general position of those of us who would prefer peace with justice instead
    >of the current policy of trans-generational genocide and ethnic cleansing.
    >Osama Al-Baz four conditions for Arab-Israeli co-existence in ME
    >Egypt-Israel, Politics, 11/19/2002
    > The Islamic Thought Forum Sunday evening turned into a crowded popular
    >gathering of the lovers of science and culture.
    >Presidential Political Adviser Osama Al-Baz called upon the world community
    >and the international Quartet (US, UN, Russian and EU) to assist the Arab
    >countries reach an agreement to guarantee the establishment of an
    >independent Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital.
    >Addressing the Islamic Thought Gathering, he said that help was needed from
    >all peace-lovers to implement the rules of justice and international
    >legitimacy and restore security and stability to the Middle East.
    >Al-Baz set out a number of conditions that needed to be met by Israel so as
    >to enjoy peace with its Arab neighbors. He said that foremost of all
    >conditions was Israel's renouncement of all its expansionist schemes and
    >its dumping of the theory of stretching its land from the Nile to the
    >Al-Baz prodded Israel to dismantle its military nuclear program noting that
    >it (Israel) should not expect to establish a durable peace with its
    >neighbors so long as it continued to possess nuclear weapons.
    >Israel must stop its settlement building and commit itself to a declared
    >timetable to withdraw from the occupied lands, he said.
    >He expects the coming six months to witness some developments that could
    >lead to the creation of the Palestinian state. Speaking about Iraq crisis,
    >he said Iraq must do its utmost so as to avert any threat of war. The
    >Iraqis had had no alternative other than to accept the return of
    >international arms inspectors, he said advising Baghdad to cooperate with
    >the UN experts so as to cut the way on any attempt to strike Iraqi lands
    >and undermine its stability.
    >Al-Baz asked the US to forgo its double-standard policies particularly
    >vis-?-vis the Iraqi and Israeli nuclear programs.

    It does make me wonder why a government with a history of destroying and taking over the land of its neighbors by force of arms and has proclaimed it will do "whatever is necessary" in its fight with them should be any more trustworthy to posess nuclear arms than Saddam Hussein. If I were going to bet on anyone in the Middle East being the first to use atomic weapons in
    "self defense," the Israelis would be at the top of my list.


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