Re: The terrorism meme

From: Van oost Kenneth (
Date: Sun 17 Nov 2002 - 10:18:44 GMT

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    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Callaghan" <>
    > >The fact is that the real blame for the deaths is not the terrorist his
    > >fault, the blame lies by the US government consequently staying
    > >in areas where they don 't belong.
    > >Terrorism is equal placing bombs and setting up psychological
    > >pressure.
    > My philosophy is that people are responsible for their own actions.
    > Therefore, they, themselves, are to blame for the damage they do to
    > If I kill someone it's not G. W. Bush's fault unless he sent me out there
    > do it.

    True, but nevertheless the terrorists use reverse- psychology, as long the US remains in the Middle- East, support Israel or attacks any ' Muslim ' country terrorists will continu bombing and will continu put the blame on the US/ Bush, how much Americans will die in the process is of no concern. And in their mind, even to be one American is enough to be ' blamed '.

    And to the point that Bush would be blamed if you killed one, that is IMO not true, internationals conventions state clearly that head of states can
    't be prosecuted if their country were to be engaged in an armed conflict_ as long, of course, to don 't conduct genocide. Bush' / US aversion for the Den Hague tribunal can be seen in that light.

    > The Muslim terrorists just don't understand the magnitude of the problem.
    > They don't realize that we're willing to sacrifice over 40,000 Americans a
    > year to keep our cars and the way of life they represent. If you count
    > injured, it's over 100,000. The losses at the WTC were a drop in the
    > by comparison. If 40 thousand deaths a year won't make us change our
    > the puny efforts of a few bombings aren't going to do it. They are just a
    > small increase in the number of accidents we are willing to put up with.

    Oh but they do, Grant, they do ! Be sure of that ! Thet don 't have a " problem " with you though, they just want you out ! That' s all ! The problems lies within you_ that there are people willing to sacrifice/ willing to kill innocent Americans to get to their goals. As long the US don 't see/ don 't understand, is willing to comprehend that their support/ their committent jeapardizes other fractions their existence, you gonna stay in trouble.

    Out of what is deep inbedded in the American way of how memes/ genes are shaped by nature, the American people, or could we say, the American (foreign) politics within the urge is there to ' help '. Of course, by definition help is extensible and what goes for the former can 't be done for the latter. But you have to understand that whatever you do, there will be always a third party involved which will be never keen on yours or any else its precence for that matter. You live in complete different worlds !

    And in short, for the traffic example, 40.000 death or more, you ain 't gonna change your ways ! This is again that psychological- deathlock mechanism that politics uses to get you drive slower- this is memetic engineering per sť ! They try to get a meme inside your head which, they hope, will alter the memes present there, and we all know how difficult that can be!



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