Date: Sun 17 Nov 2002 - 04:44:09 GMT
> At 05:46 PM 16/11/02 -0600, you wrote:
> >Try this, Lawry.
> > Text of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans
> >Published in Al-Quds al-'Arabi on Febuary 23, 1998
> >Statement signed by Sheikh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin;
> >Ayman al-Zawahiri, leader of the Jihad Group in Egypt; Abu-
> >Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, a leader of the Islamic Group; Sheikh
> >Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan; and
> >Fazlul Rahman, leader of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh
> Thanks for this Joe this is indeed the counterpoint for George W's
> State of the Union Speech and why pollsters in this country have found
> that there is almost an equal distrust of Osama and George W. As a
> matter of fact, yesterday's Sydney Morning Herald reported that a
> 'majority' saw George W as the greatest threat to world peace.
> Personally I, like many of my fellow Aussies, see greed and
> intolerance as the major causes of strife. This makes both sides
> equally dangerous. Jeremy
Bin Laden put that out during the Clinton administration, just before the Al Quaeda truckbombings of the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Dubya's response was long overdue (and would've been Gore's, had he been elected); when contending against extremists, one cannot nonsuicidally adopt moderate measures. The only peace that radical Islamists will accept will be the peace of universal Islam. I, for one, am willing to kill and die before I will bow to ANY deity, INCLUDING Allah.
The Islamic Concept of Peace: Can the West Accept it? By Abdul Maseeh
After much research and reflection, I have come to understand
the Islamic concept of peace as something like this: Peace comes
through submission, which is the meaning of the word Islam. This
submission, of course, is submission to Muhammed and his
Allah in the Qu'ran, in other words, Islam once again.
Theoretically peace exists inside Dar-al-Islam, the House of
Submission. I say "theoretically" because we all know that
even though they are not supposed to, do fight fellow Muslims.
Consider the Afghan civil war between the Pashtuns on one side
the then-Northern Alliance (Uzbeks, Tajiks, etc.) on the other;
attack on Kuwait and its earlier war with Iran; or the West
attack on East Pakistan, which subsequently became Bangladesh.
Peace with pagans, that is, people not "of the Book", is
impossible; they are all to be given a chance to accept Islam or be
killed. This is illustrated by the killing of pagans in the south of
the north of Nigeria, and the south of Chad, in each case by
eager to impose Islamic law.
With regard to Christians and Jews, they too are to be fought
against until they are subdued and feel themselves subdued - that
found in Qu'ran sura 9, verse 29 ("Fight those who believe not in
nor the Last Day nor hold that forbidden which hath been
Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth,
among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with
submission, and feel themselves subdued"). Examples of this are
found in Sudan, Nigeria and Chad, and also in Indonesia - along
smaller atrocities against Christians in Egypt and the heinous
repression of all Christian activity in Saudi Arabia by the
To say that Islam is a religion of peace is not true. Islam is
committed to war, both by the example of Muhammed, who
until he subdued Mecca and then other tribes, and by the Qu'ran's
teaching supported by numerous passages in the Hadith.
Amir Tahiri, aditor of Politique International in Paris, of the thirty
going on as of October 2001, twenty-eight involve Muslims
either non-Muslims or even other Muslims! The Qu'ran does teach
Muslims are never to initiate war. But Islam has a strange way of
putting this into practice. For example, Muslims are supposed to
non-Muslims an opportunity to embrace Islam. If the non-
refuse, this is viewed as aggression against Allah and Islam.
Muslims are allowed to fight these "aggressors" until they are
Perhaps the greatest proof that Islam is not a religion of peace
is sura 4, verse 89, which proclaims that any who want to leave
(turn renegade) shall be put to death: "But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them." This makes Islam the religion of fear, not of peace. There will be war in the world so long as people believe in Muhammed, his example, and his teaching. The Islamic concept of peace, meaning making the whole world Muslim, is actually a mandate for war.
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