RE: The terrorism meme

From: Grant Callaghan (
Date: Sun 17 Nov 2002 - 03:37:20 GMT

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    >Grant, I must challenge you again, I'm afraid. You said "He feels
    >done to the
    >infidel is justified, and says as much in words and deeds." Let's leave
    >aside the deeds as they are subject to interpretation, as our earlier
    >discussion demonstrated. So: to the words: What words has bin Laden said
    >that state that 'he feels anything {sic] done to the infidel is justified.'
    >I have been reading quite a bit of bin Laden material, and haven't seen
    >anything like this at all. It would be especially helpful if you could give
    >actual examples (one would do!) of these words, rather than arguing by


    How about this:

    The audiotape was aired alongside an old photograph of the al-Qaida leader, but there was no new video of him. The official in Washington said further technical analysis was needed. Al-Jazeera said it received the tape on the day it was broadcast.

    Speaking in a literary style of Arabic favored by bin Laden, the voice said the attacks were "undertaken by sons who are zealous in the defense of their religion." The speaker then castigated U.S. allies that have joined the war against terrorism, specifically Britain, France, Italy, Canada, Germany and Australia.

    After listing those countries, he warned: "If you don't like looking at your dead . . . so remember our dead, including the children in Iraq."

    "What business do your governments have to ally themselves with the gang of criminality in the White House against Muslims? Don't your governments know that the White House gang is the biggest serial killers in this age?"

    * * *

    I can't find a full transcript of the tape, but I have read reports that he praised the bombing in Bali, as well as the American embassies in Kenya, etc. In those bombings, many innocent people of many countries and faiths were killed and the killers were praised for doing it. They were "zealous in the defense of their religion."

    So while I can't find words that he that mirror exactly what I claim he advocates, it seems to me the evidence of what he praises makes it as clear is if he stated it directly. If I said you are a hero for killing men, women and children who are not of your religion, would you get the idea that I don't care what you do to such people?

    I think demanding that people state exactly what their intention and mind set is before you believe it is too much to ask, since he is speaking in a language that we are not equipped to interpret and have to depend on what other say he meant. But to my mind actions speak louder than words and to ignore them because the words aren't available to mirror them is to ignore reality.

    If I steal your wallet and then say, "I'm not a thief." which would you believe, my actions or my words? What did the jury believe about Wynona Rider when she denied being a thief? The people bin Laden helped to kill by training and supporting their terrorist activities are a stronger statement than anything he can say pro or con. And in every case he justifies it by citing his religious convictions. If you want to deny the evidence or find excuses for it, that's fine. You're entitled. But my opinion is mine and have no reason to feel it is not justified. I don't require anyone else to share it. I'm not going to ask you to change yours, whether I agree with it or not.



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