From: Lawrence DeBivort (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Fri 15 Nov 2002 - 20:52:37 GMT
OK, so you call it mindless because you don't think 'they' can possibly
really believe that bombing a disco is going to drive America out of Saudi.
But then wouldn't driving the US out of Saudi Arabia (I assume you mean
driving US troops out - because as far as I have seen that is the demand
that Al-Qaida has made - not Americans generally) be a purpose, whether or
not the tactic accomplishes it?
Now, I would assume that the Bali bombing was designed for some other
purpose, but have seen any primary materials on it, e.g. that would address
the matter of the purpose of those who did that.
Keep in mind that Al-Qaida may (and we know does) have more than one
purpose, AND is a decentralized organization, allowing local cells lots of
room to pursue purposes tailored to the local situation. Thus not all
Al-Qaida-associated actions will have as their purpose the achievement of
very single purpose enunciated by Al-Qaida. Middle Eastern Arabs have one
set of purposes, while Indonesian terrorist have a different set. I think
there is one overarching purpose, and that is what they have termed defense
against an ever-encroaching west. Again, you and I don't have to agree that
that purpose is a worthy one, or tactics pursued to achieve it reasonable;
our discussion here is simply as to whether these terrorist are 'mindless'
in their purposes or not.
Turning to our domestic situation: would you say that McVeigh, or Kyzcinski
The importance of this issue is real: if they are 'mindless' than there is
little that the US can do to stop it. If they are 'mindful,' there may be a
lot that we can do to end the terror.
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I call it mindless because I don't think they have any specific goal with
their terrorist acts other than to cause terror. I don't think they know
what purpose their acts are for. The only thing purposeful about them is
the diligence with which they carry out their missions. And the people I'm
talking about are the Al Quaeda and their associates. I can't believe that
they think bombing a disco is Bali is going to drive America out of Saudi
Arabia, for example -- or even out of Indonesia. If so, they are mindlessly
>Purposes will depend on who you are talking about, as far as I can see.
>There are many terrorist sources around the world: they have their
>Have you read any of bin Laden's transcripts (at least, as publicly
>available?). The latest one is available in today's NY Times. It will give
>you a pretty good sense of his purpose.
>But I still pose the question: why do YOU call it 'mindless terrorism'? Is
>it because you can't conceive of a possible purpose that those who engage
>it might have? Or is calling it 'mindless' simply a counter-meme?
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> >Grant, why do you call it 'mindless terror'? It seems quite purposeful
>OK. What is it's purpose?
>Bin Laden's Lament
>at a time.
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