RE: Islamic beliefs and their memetic sources

From: Grant Callaghan (
Date: Mon 11 Nov 2002 - 04:31:52 GMT

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    Here is the code

    I don't know how accurate the translation is. It was done in 1910. What I've found in my search for Sharia is that it's going to be difficult to trace the root to the branches. But when I move from Persian concepts to Roman and Greek concepts I should find some interesting comparisons.


    >Interesting. I'll look for the whole code. I am not an expert on the
    >so we'll be exploring it together. You posed a fascinating question, on the
    >memetic origins of Islamic law. I can make some inquiries about some good
    >sources on the sharia. I know there has been a HUGE volume of materials
    >written on it by Muslim jurists, and that out of these debates over time
    >evolved some four principal schools of Islamic jurisprudence. Advocates of
    >each still flourish today and continue to provide the grist for debate.
    >Issues of modernization, relations with the non-Muslim world (which had to
    >change as the Muslim world lost its pre-eminence), science, and the changes
    >that occurred in society as individual communications began to be changed
    >such things as the telephone and TV, movies and easy travel - all these
    >challenged the traditional Islamic schools and caused great intellectual
    >social struggling.
    >These struggles were paralleled in the West, in such events at those
    >to the Magna Carta, the Reformation, Inquisition, various internecine and
    >religious wars, censorship and martyrdoms. The parallels are quite
    >and there is much unfinished dispute going on in both the Muslim world and
    >the West.
    >One of the parallel themes that has struck me is the arrogance that empires
    >have, even as they decay. The Roman, Bourbon, Holy Roman, and Ottoman
    >empires are good examples. They were on their last legs, while their rulers
    >acted as if they could still control everything. They didn't, in Kathleen
    >Townsend's now famous words (well, at least here in Maryland!), 'see it
    >coming'. I imagine we could find this meme, of impregnable and
    >superiority, at play in the last days of each of these empires. And it
    >would be interesting to compare it to the language of present day powers.
    >interesting memetic research project, no?
    >Grant Callaghan
    >I've just read the complete code and found it bore little resemblance to
    >description of it by the Canadian Judge who summaraized it in the previous
    >message. I'll try to send it to you as a file. It still has a lot of
    >and I need to find a discussion of the sharia to make a decent comparison.

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