Re: Memes & genes

From: Van oost Kenneth (
Date: Sun 10 Nov 2002 - 10:13:15 GMT

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    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Callaghan" <> Kenneth
    > >In a sense, mine ' me' is more ' mine ', yours is more social/
    > >cultural conditioned so to speak.
    > >Hope you don 't get me wrong,...
    > I was just trying to point out the fact that we were talking about
    > things. You were talking about not having a particular culture to call
    > own and I was talking about a person who had no culture at all -- no
    > language memes, no tool-making memes, no way to communicate with other
    > people at all. If you knew how to make fire that's a meme unless you
    > a way to do it without being taught by someone. Without the memes of
    > society you would have to invent everything you did from finding a way to
    > eat to getting in out of the heat and cold. If you didn't know how or why
    > to cook your meat, you would have to eat it raw. These are the advantages
    > that culture has given us. Now, instead of worrying about what to do with
    > the dead animal we found, we worry about whether we should eat French,
    > Italian, or Chinese food tonight.

    Yes, I did understand we' re talking about different things, anyway,

    I do have a culture I can call my own, but it is more a matter of involvement. There is a certain way in the Western culture by which we are/ can describes ourselves as human ( values and norms), but there is still another way and that is MY- way. I am called upon to live my life within those fixed bounderies of social and cultural dispositions. That is, in my development as a human being, if I want to become authentic/ individualistic in the real sense of the word I have to drop my family, religion, society, school, the nation-state... all powers of convention... Taylor writes.

    That is a false picture, because my identity is due by those forces, their inner- connections and by the people who use them and form an image of me by using those dispositions_ for their own advantages most of the time. The dialogue between them and me forms in the end the identity which I do development during growing up_ the material is given to me by the society/ family and friends. That is what I see, in your, normal situation. But that wasn 't my situation at all.

    A part of the dialogue I lost, the supposed identity which I had to deve- lopment was breached, the material I was bound to receive never came. I filled up the blanks with what you could call ' instincts ' or parts of what is called existentalism, groundforms/ archetypes of what it is to be human. You can make your own choises, but the possibilities where to choose from are not yours to make, in a sense I had to do just that_ I had to create possibilities where, in a later stage of life, I had to choose from. Where you we 're given all the collective possibilities I had to restrict myself to a few.



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