Re: Memes & genes

From: Van oost Kenneth (
Date: Sat 09 Nov 2002 - 11:18:54 GMT

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    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wade Smith" <>
    > On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 11:07 , Grant Callaghan wrote:
    > > The life of an individual in this world has always been short and
    > > painful if he did not belong to an organized group that shares memes.
    > That's a big bingo.

    You know I got to react to this type of nonsense ! I understand ' you ' need social groups to obtain a life, but anyone can live a life as an individual ! IMO, the notion that you need a kind of groupsbounding to obtain a life without pain, or to have a long life like you suggest here, is an artificial one.

    From my stance I got problems with, if I belong to any group that some of my own inbedded characteistics will, or have to diseappear. I stand for the rejection of the institutionalized belief that you need a group to be happy, to have a life without pain ! That is in one word, untrue !

    I understand and I am well aware of the fact that an indivudual has to cling to some group in his/ her search for, lets say, authenticity, and if that fails a number of people will kill themselves, but that is not their fault ! The ( social) pressure of groups is too high to be ignored, and the chances to be an authentic individual in this per- verse society are less than zero.

    It is a matter of power, and people in general who will claim that any individual has no chance to survive in his harsh world doing that out of a position of imposed power, unconsciously maybe, memes work you know, but it is still my opinion that this is due to the mechanism by which societies work and develop. The ' natural ' way, the ' natural laws ' of society claim to be supportive, to have mercy and show solidarity with others,... and what if this is all mannered, a by- product of the evolution from indivudual towards groups !?

    The irony of the thing is, that in search for individuality, for authenticity we' re bound to use a social context, without it, we 're stand alone and we 're nothing, so they say, but ' you ' folks who tend to this masquerade don 't see that in your search ' for something' you always look to the outside, towards the others, never....NEVER to yourself ! And in looking always towards the others, you hurt us, you induce pain and heartship. Be aware of the fact that as you were a member of a ' social ' group you tend to hurt others !

    And to say, but Kenneth you belong to a group, you belong to the list, I agree, but I tend to keep a criticial eye, I don 't tend to claim to have THE knowledge, THE truth, THE good, I tend to play with the options, with the developments, with the fields of anxiety when they come along. I tend to keep a certain distance, I don 't care what others might think about me or for what reason I am doing some- thing, so that I won 't loose ' myself ' in the process.

    In a sense, ' you ' folks are searching to know who you all are, I know already who I am !



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